Benjamin Stokes & Alexander Hales

[subsub]

Well according to Michael Vaughan, poor Ben has suffered enough. Wonder what the geezers who he decked feel about that.

Well, one of them shook hands with Stokes immediately after the verdict…

[subsub]

Little wonder people have a go at the legal system. Haven't followed it too closely but close enough to know it's a bullshit verdict

Ah, that's that cleared up, then…

Yes it has

Why, because you say so? Yes. That's right
Are you a legal expert? Yes I am

That's twice we've cleared it up now

Excellent. So, if you're a legal expert, you'll be able to tell us all why he was found not guilty of affray.
(this should be good…)

We have 'ways and means' inside the justice system my dear sub.

Let's just leave it at that eh

Please elaborate, O legal expert.

[delboy1983]

Sub -hand on heart looking at this case

Bill Strokes -plasterer by trade-GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ,how say you sir

Sub-O you dodging this one

[subsub]

Sub -hand on heart looking at this case

Bill Strokes -plasterer by trade-GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ,how say you sir

Sub-O you dodging this one

You mean, would a non-celebrity have been cleared?
Absolutely - the two other defendants, neither of whom are famous, were.

It only went to court in the first place because Stokes was in the public eye.

[delboy1983]

Sub -hand on heart looking at this case

Bill Strokes -plasterer by trade-GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ,how say you sir

Sub-O you dodging this one

You mean, would a non-celebrity have been cleared?
Absolutely - the two other defendants, neither of whom are famous, were.

It only went to court in the first place because Stokes was in the public eye.

Would have to disagree there Bill Strokes on CCTV knocking the shit out of these lads would have been charged tried and I think found guilty.Stokes celebrity status and subsequent media coverage got him of this one. A bad cunt is a bad cunt he'll offend again.

[subsub]

Would have to disagree there Bill Strokes on CCTV knocking the shit out of these lads would have been charged tried and I think found guilty.Stokes celebrity status and subsequent media coverage got him of this one. A bad cunt is a bad cunt he'll offend again.

You don't know that. Pure projection on your part. You're just pissed off that the verdict didn't go the way you wanted it to.
You do remember that Tony Adams was sent to prison "to be made an example of", don't you?

[sjbarca]

He got away with it.

[kancutlawns]

Sub -hand on heart looking at this case

Bill Strokes -plasterer by trade-GUILTY or NOT GUILTY ,how say you sir

Sub-O you dodging this one

You mean, would a non-celebrity have been cleared?
Absolutely - the two other defendants, neither of whom are famous, were.

It only went to court in the first place because Stokes was in the public eye.

Would have to disagree there Bill Strokes on CCTV knocking the shit out of these lads would have been charged tried and I think found guilty.Stokes celebrity status and subsequent media coverage got him of this one. A bad cunt is a bad cunt he'll offend again.

If a non celeb Asian or black guy would have reacted like Stokes had, it’s likely that the tabloid press would have latched onto the fact, there would have been a huge level of media attention and the jury would most likely have been sucked into the ethnicity and the need to return a guilty verdict.

Stokes got a bye. The jury were very possibly star struck and didn’t have the backbone to think objectively with the evidence that was given to them.

[subsub]

If a non celeb Asian or black guy would have reacted like Stokes had, it’s likely that the tabloid press would have latched onto the fact, there would have been a huge level of media attention

Punch-ups like this happen all the time. If it was non-celebrities involved, why would it have garnered "a huge level of media attention"? Wouldn't have even gone to court.

The jury were very possibly star struck and didn’t have the backbone to think objectively with the evidence that was given to them

That's such bullshit; you can't possibly know that. What a daft thing to say.

Stokes was a fucking idiot for putting himself in that position, but the morons queuing up to convict him without being in full possession of the facts is truly depressing.

[kancutlawns]

So the upshot of what you’re saying is that there’s no flaw in how the trial was conducted, you’re perfectly happy with the verdict and Stokes should now be able to go about his life despite him having previous for assault? Perfectly fine behaviour abusing two men in a homophobic way and carrying out a brutal attack? All OK with you?

This is vindication for how great of judicial system is? Do you think this case should have come to court?

[subsub]

So the upshot of what you’re saying is that there’s no flaw in how the trial was conducted, you’re perfectly happy with the verdict and Stokes should now be able to go about his life despite him having previous for assault? Perfectly fine behaviour abusing two men in a homophobic way and carrying out a brutal attack? All OK with you?

- I'm not a lawyer, so am not qualified to comment on the intricacies of how trials are conducted - if you are, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us all.

- He has "previous for assault"? Really? Can you show me evidence of this? Is this a previous conviction nobody was told about?

- The men in question have praised Stokes for stepping in and preventing a homophobic attack. You did hear that interview earlier, didn't you? Oh…

[delboy1983]

I am afraid it is you Sub that is starstruck here and it's clouding your judgement for all to see.
When he offends again and he will ,you will have to admit that was a shocker of a verdict.
Lets hope the next person is able to get up .

[kancutlawns]

Perhaps if he smacks a Liverpool fan and makes inflammatory remarks about Hillsborough, sub will carry on with his cause celebre of a thug who can’t hold his drink.

[subsub]

I am afraid it is you Sub that is starstruck here and it's clouding your judgement for all to see.
When he offends again and he will ,you will have to admit that was a shocker of a verdict.
Lets hope the next person is able to get up .

I suggest you read what I wrote earlier on in the thread.
I fully expected him to be found guilty, but I wasn't in the court and wasn't privy to all the information – nor were any of you.
And – as I clearly need to spell it out for the umpteenth time – his behaviour was totally unacceptable and he needs to make sure he doesn't put himself in that position again.

But as for all this trial-by-Sun-video shit, that can fuck off. Just know-nowts pissed off that the jury didn't agree with them, hence the lame conspiracy theories about rich/famous people getting off. Not having it.

[subsub]

Perhaps if he smacks a Liverpool fan and makes inflammatory remarks about Hillsborough, sub will carry on with his cause celebre of a thug who can’t hold his drink.

Come on, Lawns-o, you're better than this.
Getting very boring now.