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Jonathan wrote:Well you certainly wouldn’t get first class on such a short route. Amazed that they didn’t use a business jet, ie a Learjet, Gulfstream etc... A single engine prop aircraft on such a long distance across the sea and in bad weather all seems rather risky in hindsight.

And the cunt had doubts on the landing in Nantes, where as BG says, said he "was a little rusty" before even the WhatsApps to family on the return by Sala.

As per, our old friends on PPRuNe: https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close- ... sland.html
But greif porn merchant JWOTS speaking to the Cardiff Chief Exec earlier said the club would get a flight from Paris. There is no direct from Paris, this should be the flight:
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It's a shame he didn't just book airline.

Most effectively AF/KLM through Amsterdam, as there is no reasonable connection at Paris. 1715 from Nantes arrive Ametsrdam 1900. 2120 from Amsterdam arrive Cardiff 2140. Seems little different to the light aircraft times.

Regarding the statement that the passenger had arranged the aircraft himself, I think we would be a bit surprised if he knew, personally, where to start with this. It will be notable to learn who/what else the owner had used this aircraft for over time.
The flight from Paris was 1840 to Dam and pick up the connection, and you'd have to leave Nantes very early afternoon to get that.
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I don't agree with them calling off the search. It would be good if the Cardiff chairman could fund some search teams to give the families peace of mind.
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theleader82 wrote:I don't agree with them calling off the search. It would be good if the Cardiff chairman could fund some search teams to give the families peace of mind.

Stop it leader. Sala and David Ibbotson are dead. RIP.

This is an investigation by professioanals and a legal/criminal investigation. You don't just wander in with your own investigaton, note to later McCann's. Let the investigators investigate and the AAIB report. You should read our friends on PPRuNe as much mentioned: https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close- ... sland.html
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I do like this post from one of our aviation friends:
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I say this without prejudice but it could be if the right lawyers get hold of it. I wonder what type of life insurance the passenger (and indeed the pilot) had as the insurance companies regard private flying as a high risk activity which is excluded from cover unless you pay extra premium.
Insurance experts on here have said that private flying would be covered. Surely for the sort of bespoke contract we are talking about here, you can include anything in the cover. I know from my own experience that once you start removing the exclusions, you get hefty premiums added.

There are a number of possible outcomes
1) Cardiff City insured him and paid a premium for private flying
2) Cardiff City were reckless and didn’t insure him
3) Cardiff City were reckless, they did insure him without paying a premium for private flying, then lost control of his travel arrangements
4) Cardiff City have lost £15m and will sue everybody.
Most interesting indeed how much Cardiff paid and/or will get of any insurance, Mr McKay notwithstanding.
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There was a report in one newspaper that his agent had arranged the flight, and had used this aircraft/pilot before.

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Jonathan wrote:Well you certainly wouldn’t get first class on such a short route. Amazed that they didn’t use a business jet, ie a Learjet, Gulfstream etc... A single engine prop aircraft on such a long distance across the sea and in bad weather all seems rather risky in hindsight.


Do you think it was the player or agent doing it on the cheap.
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black_guardian wrote:
Jonathan wrote:Well you certainly wouldn’t get first class on such a short route. Amazed that they didn’t use a business jet, ie a Learjet, Gulfstream etc... A single engine prop aircraft on such a long distance across the sea and in bad weather all seems rather risky in hindsight.


Do you think it was the player or agent doing it on the cheap.


If I was guessing I would reckon on the agent. I would think he’s more likely to know how to arrange an aircraft than the player.

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I'm glad they found the plane and they have seen one body on board. Hopefully they'll be able to pull it up soon so the families can grieve properly.
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So it was Sala's body that was brought up. RIP to him and Dave Ibbotson as per.

But I see nothing wrong with Nantes wanting their first part of the transfer fee. They are due it. They have lost their top striker, Cardiff have lost nothing so far and to claim it insensitive and an investigation going on is a bad argument based in sensibiltiy.

There's was a contract with Nantes. Sala was a Cardiff player, payment is owed.

The investigation by the AAIB and any civil plod investigation are happening after the event.

One hopes the plod investigation also looks into Cardiff, the McKay's and dodgy air transfers.

The whole flight seems wrong, many seem involved and these cunts, exploiting a naïve chap who barely spoke English for a bit more coin need to be named and shamed. And punished, as we know who they are.

Do not let pilot David Ibbotson be the sole bad guy. As pilot he was ultimately responsible for flying, so should have said no as whether was rated for night flying over the Channel. Thus also calls those who booked him and were unaware (incredulous as you don't book anyone without checking) into doubt and a lot of friends of friends involved.

As say our friends on PPRuNe, hopefully the whole story of dodgy charters and cost sharing by those not entitled or doing it illegally will topple like a house of cards.

There are many involved up to their necks, let them be caught.

RIP to both and let the cunts also responsible pay.
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Carlos J wrote:But I see nothing wrong with Nantes wanting their first part of the transfer fee. They are due it. They have lost their top striker, Cardiff have lost nothing so far and to claim it insensitive and an investigation going on is a bad argument based in sensibiltiy

Perhaps they could have waited til his body was dragged out of the sea first, eh?
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subsub wrote:
Carlos J wrote:But I see nothing wrong with Nantes wanting their first part of the transfer fee. They are due it. They have lost their top striker, Cardiff have lost nothing so far and to claim it insensitive and an investigation going on is a bad argument based in sensibiltiy

Perhaps they could have waited til his body was dragged out of the sea first, eh?



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How long is a sensitive period of time to elapse? Nantes have done nothing wrong.

Cardiff, or more importantly, connections of Cardiff have a lot to worry about. The whole flight was dodgy and coin related. Heads hopefully will roll.

Too big a name dead to sweep dodgy flights under the carpet. I hope the AAIB get all responsible and criminal prosecutions follow.
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And the sea is a final resting place. Not many are brought up. As Ibbotson is unlikely to be.
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Carlos J wrote:How long is a sensitive period of time to elapse? Nantes have done nothing wrong

They may have done nothing wrong, but the timing was incredibly insensitive.
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Cardiff could face a points deduction if they don't honour the first payment of the installment of the Sala transfer to Nante within the next week or so.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 69076.html

Totally get the comments about the timing of this demand - thankfully the player's body was found quickly.

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