Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:10 pm
With the rotation policy in operation for the bowlers, It's Archer and Anderson for Broad and Woakes on friday. Any player throwing a tantrum should be shown the door pronto.
Are you referring to Broad when you're talking about tantrums?
He just said he was hacked off at being left out, which any good pro would say.
Would you prefer it if he just laughed and said he wasn't bothered? Then you'd be straight in here questioning his commitment and PASSHUN.
If I'd have been left out for Mark Wood, I probably would have trashed the dressing room tbh.
Having said that, anyone who wears a stupid headband like that deserves to be axed. Who the fuck does he think he is Dennis Lillee. With headbands and hair slides they looked more like the women's team. Fucking pansies.
When your heart is blue, there is nothing you can do. Keep Right On
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:10 pm
With the rotation policy in operation for the bowlers, It's Archer and Anderson for Broad and Woakes on friday. Any player throwing a tantrum should be shown the door pronto.
Are you referring to Broad when you're talking about tantrums?
He just said he was hacked off at being left out, which any good pro would say.
Would you prefer it if he just laughed and said he wasn't bothered? Then you'd be straight in here questioning his commitment and PASSHUN.
If I'd have been left out for Mark Wood, I probably would have trashed the dressing room tbh.
Having said that, anyone who wears a stupid headband like that deserves to be axed. Who the fuck does he think he is Dennis Lillee. With headbands and hair slides they looked more like the women's team. Fucking pansies.
We definitely agree on Wood, Zambo. He's quick, clearly, but it seems an awful lot of effort for very little reward.
He's quicker than Archer with none of the threat.
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:10 pm
With the rotation policy in operation for the bowlers, It's Archer and Anderson for Broad and Woakes on friday. Any player throwing a tantrum should be shown the door pronto.
Are you referring to Broad when you're talking about tantrums?
He just said he was hacked off at being left out, which any good pro would say.
Would you prefer it if he just laughed and said he wasn't bothered? Then you'd be straight in here questioning his commitment and PASSHUN.
Unique circumstances this summer, the fast bowlers were told they'd be playing 4 out of the 6 tests to reduce the risk of injury or burn out. No-one was dropped,he was first on the rotation list, a mature person would have accepted that and waited their turn. Not good enough for Broad though, dummy spat out and his lickspittles in the press going on about him being the leading wicket taker in South Africa months and months ago as though that's relevant to anything
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:10 pm
With the rotation policy in operation for the bowlers, It's Archer and Anderson for Broad and Woakes on friday. Any player throwing a tantrum should be shown the door pronto.
Are you referring to Broad when you're talking about tantrums?
He just said he was hacked off at being left out, which any good pro would say.
Would you prefer it if he just laughed and said he wasn't bothered? Then you'd be straight in here questioning his commitment and PASSHUN.
Unique circumstances this summer, the fast bowlers were told they'd be playing 4 out of the 6 tests to reduce the risk of injury or burn out. No-one was dropped,he was first on the rotation list, a mature person would have accepted that and waited their turn. Not good enough for Broad though, dummy spat out and his lickspittles in the press going on about him being the leading wicket taker in South Africa months and months ago as though that's relevant to anything
Nah, your irrational hatred is coming to the fore again.
He showed his unwavering commitment to England; something you should get behind.
Congratulations to Chris Woakes who's got to 1000 runs and 100 wickets in tests faster than Stokes, Flintoff or Sobers. Hugely underrated cricketer with the best home bowling average of anyone in the last 50 years who've taken 75 wickets or more for England. At home Anderson averages just under 24, Archer 22 and a distant fourth is Broad nearer 27.
Makes the selection so much easier on friday if Stokes isn't fit enough to bowl.
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:09 am
Congratulations to Chris Woakes who's got to 1000 runs and 100 wickets in tests faster than Stokes, Flintoff or Sobers. Hugely underrated cricketer with the best home bowling average of anyone in the last 50 years who've taken 75 wickets or more for England. At home Anderson averages just under 24, Archer 22 and a distant fourth is Broad nearer 27.
Makes the selection so much easier on friday if Stokes isn't fit enough to bowl.
He doesn't fit for some reason, and has been made a scapegoat on many occasions. He's probably too quiet. It seems that making a part of yourself is sometimes a requirement for selection. Either that or they don't like Brummies.
When your heart is blue, there is nothing you can do. Keep Right On
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:09 am
Congratulations to Chris Woakes who's got to 1000 runs and 100 wickets in tests faster than Stokes, Flintoff or Sobers. Hugely underrated cricketer with the best home bowling average of anyone in the last 50 years who've taken 75 wickets or more for England. At home Anderson averages just under 24, Archer 22 and a distant fourth is Broad nearer 27.
Makes the selection so much easier on friday if Stokes isn't fit enough to bowl.
He doesn't fit for some reason, and has been made a scapegoat on many occasions. He's probably too quiet. It seems that making a part of yourself is sometimes a requirement for selection. Either that or they don't like Brummies.
Yes, the selectors are deliberately not picking Warwickshire players…
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:09 am
Congratulations to Chris Woakes who's got to 1000 runs and 100 wickets in tests faster than Stokes, Flintoff or Sobers. Hugely underrated cricketer with the best home bowling average of anyone in the last 50 years who've taken 75 wickets or more for England. At home Anderson averages just under 24, Archer 22 and a distant fourth is Broad nearer 27
Woakes: 100 Test wickets at 30.10
Broad: 491 Test wickets at 28.38
Anderson: 587 Test wickets at 26.87
Archer: 33 Test wickets at 28.12
But yes, let's pick the bowler who averages more than 30
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:09 am
Congratulations to Chris Woakes who's got to 1000 runs and 100 wickets in tests faster than Stokes, Flintoff or Sobers. Hugely underrated cricketer with the best home bowling average of anyone in the last 50 years who've taken 75 wickets or more for England. At home Anderson averages just under 24, Archer 22 and a distant fourth is Broad nearer 27
Woakes: 100 Test wickets at 30.10
Broad: 491 Test wickets at 28.38
Anderson: 587 Test wickets at 26.87
Archer: 33 Test wickets at 28.12
But yes, let's pick the bowler who averages more than 30
Horses for courses, there's a home test series to win. You pick the best bowlers in home conditions.
Holden Mcgroyne wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:09 am
Congratulations to Chris Woakes who's got to 1000 runs and 100 wickets in tests faster than Stokes, Flintoff or Sobers. Hugely underrated cricketer with the best home bowling average of anyone in the last 50 years who've taken 75 wickets or more for England. At home Anderson averages just under 24, Archer 22 and a distant fourth is Broad nearer 27
Woakes: 100 Test wickets at 30.10
Broad: 491 Test wickets at 28.38
Anderson: 587 Test wickets at 26.87
Archer: 33 Test wickets at 28.12
But yes, let's pick the bowler who averages more than 30
Horses for courses, there's a home test series to win. You pick the best bowlers in home conditions.
I'm only joshing, Holden.
Woakes is a fine bowler, and a useful batsman. Rarely lets the side down.
But I think Anderson and Broad are deadlier bowlers, as is Archer.
I know Broad blows a bit hot and cold, but is he capable of turning a match, whereas I can't think of too many times where Woakes has done the same (apart from 2nd innings against Ireland).
I don't consider Woakes as a front line bowler, he's best suited to first change. As for selection, there are most definitely popular players and counties, there is no other explanation for some of the players overlooked over the years, unless selection is really that fucked up.
When your heart is blue, there is nothing you can do. Keep Right On
Zambo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:43 pm
I don't consider Woakes as a front line bowler, he's best suited to first change. As for selection, there are most definitely popular players and counties, there is no other explanation for some of the players overlooked over the years, unless selection is really that fucked up.
But why would England selectors deliberately overlook certain counties?
That doesn't make any sense.
On Twitter, I asked why the England team didn't travel from Southampton to Manchester in an all-singing, all-dancing coach with toilets, kitchen etc., like the top Premier League clubs use.
I was told that it didn't make sense and that, as the players all drove their cars to Southampton, therefore, they were allowed to drive the cars up to Manchester and then, presumably, home afterwards.
If some are bleating about the huge amount of money it would have cost the ECB if Covid had infiltrated the bubble and the matches called off, this car policy makes no sense.
What was the pee policy? Were they allowed to stop on the A34 or at Warwick Services or maybe at Hilton Park services? Or were they given plastic bottles to pee in on the way? What if they needed a #2? The mind boggles.
Overall, what was the advice, guidelines or rules that were given to the players?
I was also advised that they were left to their own devices because they were adults and highly paid professionals.
I'd suggest that they are paid loads of money because of their cricketing skills not their 'adult' skills. Cricket does not have a good record of players behaving well when allowed to go out drinking within either Test series or ODI series (Bristol anyone? Freddie Flintoff anyone?)
Cricketers seem to have a dependency on alcohol as I remember too well from my playing days in club cricket back in the late 70's. Why do cricketers have to be allowed out for a few drinks or be left to their own devices because they are adults, when in competition?
Do you hear about Andy Murray being seen pissed in Wimbledon Village or even out until late drinking bottled water in the middle of the Championships? Although top pro cyclists do have the odd glass of red wine when they eat dinner at the end of each stage of Grand Tours like the Tour de France, can you imagine hearing that Geraint Thomas was caught by Team Ineos minders while out on the piss after stage up Mt. Ventoux?
What is it with cricketers that they can't survive without the booze? If indeed, they are highly paid professionals, why don't they give up alcohol until they retire, as 'arry Redknapp once suggested for footballers?
If there was / is so much at stake financially with this Test series, making Archer's mistake so important potentially, even aside from the obvious health risk issues, take away the problem which facilitated Archer making his 'mistake'.
Once the team has become a bubble in Southampton, drive them to Manchester in a coach, leaving their cars under supervision in the Rose Bowl car park. When the tests in Manchester are completed, drive them all back to their cars and then leave them to their own devices, presumably to go home. Don't give them a chance to make a mistake.
What did the West Indies team do? Were the players all rented individual cars so they could drive up the M27 / A34 / M40 / M42 / M5 / M6 / M62 / M602, stopping for pee or poop at Oxford or Keele services, because they needed to be treated like adults?
If they want to be professional, do everything possible to take away the potential problems - Cut their hair, give up the booze (at least for the duration of competition) and tell them what to do, where to go and organise it for them so they don't have a chance to fuck it up.
