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Immigration, Asylum etc. Pt 3

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Continuation from here: https://talkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f ... start=1575
Roy Twing wrote:
Ralph wrote:
Roy Twing wrote:
Ralph wrote:
Roy Twing wrote:
Ralph wrote:
Roy Twing wrote:Scaremongering and brainwashing at its finest.


Any information that doesn't suit your agenda is scaremongering. Anyone who disagrees with you is either brainwashing or brainwashed. Tedious.


Any bit of drivel that you sour grapers can dig up/fabricate to suit your agenda is 'news' that brexit is a disaster.
Tedious

If only you all had applied such energy in getting behind the democratic project instead of looking for anything – anything at all to do it down, - it might already be the runaway success it could be.


Up to the people who fought for Brexit to make it a success not the people who said it was a bad idea from day one. Brexit supporting politicians now need to deliver on the promises they made, not start making excuses for failure & denying reality.


The pro-democracy politicians and others in positions of power can only succeed if they are supported by the others - that clearly isn't happening. Far from it in fact, - it's like a civil war being fought within the 'corridors of power'.
Sounds more like doubting Brexiters gettting their excuses in early than a civil war tbh.

If Brexit is a success the politicians who fought for it will take all the credit. If they don't deliver what was promised they should be held accountable. Who could possibly disagree with that.


Excuses v Blame? - depends entirely on the perspective, - but some of us on here (look at the EU referendum thread) have been pointing out the sour grapers tactics since virtually day one of the result.
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'Only' a million illegal immigrants in the country according to latest estimate.
Equivalent to a city the size of brum populated entirely by migrant criminals who have no right to be here (come to think....).
Hardly worth bothering about, is it.
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We have lost all control and have noone in power or opposition willing to do anything about it. UKIP were our best hope but they have managed to be destroyed mostly by their own efforts.

They could all come forward today and all that would happen would be they are put on some list for review and allowed to stay as kicking them out would be too complicated and thwarted at every taxpaying turn by the army of lawyers they are entitled to.

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m4rkb wrote:We have lost all control and have noone in power or opposition willing to do anything about it. UKIP were our best hope but they have managed to be destroyed mostly by their own efforts.

They could all come forward today and all that would happen would be they are put on some list for review and allowed to stay as kicking them out would be too complicated and thwarted at every taxpaying turn by the army of lawyers they are entitled to.


Yep, - basically, successful migration to this country means simply that you have to place your feet on british soil and instant entitlement.
Exactly, I assume, what the globalists consider perfectly reasonable.
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What's wrong with:-

Brit:- Hi Mr & Mrs Fromwherever, you would like to move to the UK?

M&M:- Yes very much so.

Brit:- OK, we are always looking for people such as yourselves to help make the UK a great place to live, just a quick overview of where we're at here, we communicate in English, and are faith is C of E; you don't have to follow C of E, but we do not recognise or allow any other religions here.

It's very desirable you have some sort of trade or skill which will enrich our Country; as long as those parameters are satisfied welcome aboard.

What is unreasonable about that?

The alternative of course is to invade the Countries lock stock and barrel, rather than toe dip and fuck off once we've made a dog's dinner out of it and say keep your beliefs, don't worry you'll have KFC' s and Ann Summers on every street corner very soon. You can have 'western benefits' right here on your doorstep.

My point is, all this inbetween side stepping, non decision making is the root cause of all this shit, but, I'm coming to the conclusion this is exactly what shifty power brokers are after; grey areas that can be exploited.

What's the difference me saying "You will have pubs and burping competitions in Saudi Arabia"

As "You will accept Islam and like it in Britain"?

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Fug1 wrote:What's wrong with:-

Brit?
Err saying or writing the word err Brit :roll:
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sjbarca wrote:
Fug1 wrote:What's wrong with:-

Brit?
Err saying or writing the word err Brit :roll:


I thought writing a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland might be a little bit time consuming yer spaz.

Thanks for your input though.
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And now it's official that 'child' migrants jump to the head of any queue for taxpayer provided services, - great eh?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ority.html
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Fug1 wrote:
sjbarca wrote:
Fug1 wrote:What's wrong with:-

Brit?
Err saying or writing the word err Brit :roll:


I thought writing a citizen of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland might be a little bit time consuming yer spaz.

Thanks for your input though.

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What next, will all of the winners at the Brits (sorry Brit Awards) be returning their gongs in protest. :D
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Haven't been able to spend much time on here at the moment, but I would have expected at least one or two comments about the latest net migration figures - from ralph (finally conceding that the tories are beginning to honour their manifesto pledge on the matter) if no one else.
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Roy Twing wrote:Haven't been able to spend much time on here at the moment, but I would have expected at least one or two comments about the latest net migration figures - from ralph (finally conceding that the tories are beginning to honour their manifesto pledge on the matter) if no one else.


The one to get net immigration down to below 100,000 by 2015 you mean?

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There's no guarantee the net migration figure is right in the first place. It is after all another 'official' figure we are told is true yet is one of the easiest to manipulate for whatever political advantage the fiddler can come up with. It no more caters for the quality of person leaving this country than it does the quality of person entering, so as a result I take whatever it states with a huge pinch of salt. There are many credible sources which argue our entire population is also vastly under-estimated to begin with so anything surrounding it is based on a false premise anyway.

Presumably the follow-on politically motivated story from this will be the collapse of the NHS because not enough foreigners are coming here to support it , and it will steadfastly refuse to put a figure on the brain-drain we are left with in the opposite direction.

It sounds like good news but there are too few actual facts to substantiate it other than it being a reduction in the overwhelming numbers which were unsustainable beforehand even if you ignore rising birthrates which add that unsustainability anyway.

I'm afraid all of these figures to me, whatever they are, smell of nothing more than so-called facts from the Ministry of Information.

Every single one of these figures is used somewhere in politics to substantiate some kind of political position and we have numerous examples where the lack of any serves an equally useful political position as well.

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m4rkb wrote:There's no guarantee the net migration figure is right in the first place. It is after all another 'official' figure we are told is true yet is one of the easiest to manipulate for whatever political advantage the fiddler can come up with. It no more caters for the quality of person leaving this country than it does the quality of person entering, so as a result I take whatever it states with a huge pinch of salt. There are many credible sources which argue our entire population is also vastly under-estimated to begin with so anything surrounding it is based on a false premise anyway.

Presumably the follow-on politically motivated story from this will be the collapse of the NHS because not enough foreigners are coming here to support it , and it will steadfastly refuse to put a figure on the brain-drain we are left with in the opposite direction.

It sounds like good news but there are too few actual facts to substantiate it other than it being a reduction in the overwhelming numbers which were unsustainable beforehand even if you ignore rising birthrates which add that unsustainability anyway.

I'm afraid all of these figures to me, whatever they are, smell of nothing more than so-called facts from the Ministry of Information.

Every single one of these figures is used somewhere in politics to substantiate some kind of political position and we have numerous examples where the lack of any serves an equally useful political position as well.


I agree with all of that m4rk - the establishment are as you say, already spinning the figures to promote the propaganda of 'not enough foreign nurses' etc., - without ever wondering why we need ever greater numbers of support workers.

I only posted the news of the figures to wind ralph up, given that he's spent the last 7 years crowing that the tories weren't living up to their pledge.
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Roy Twing wrote:I only posted the news of the figures to wind ralph up


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