Grenfell enquiry

[VeritasVincit]

Massive attempted deflection taking place.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... tinguisher.
Yesterday the fridge manufacturers claimed that the fire could have been caused by a cigarette blowing in through the window!

[Zambo]

It's the typical defensive, 'it wasn't my fault guv' that you always get when a tragedy happens. Several things contributed to what went on, including maybe the bloke who lived in the flat where the fire had started, taking time to pack a a couple of suitcases and fucking off instead of trying to put the fire out. Who knows.

[Eaststand]

Probably more down to the flats being built like a tinder box though.

[kancutlawns]

As always those in authority get off in a shameful dereliction of duty. Dany Cotton, Commissioner of the LFB doesn’t seem to think they did any wrong in light of the report into the Grenfell Tower fire.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky ... r-11849074

[Vespa]

As always those in authority get off in a shameful dereliction of duty. Dany Cotton, Commissioner of the LFB doesn’t seem to think they did any wrong in light of the report into the Grenfell Tower fire.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky ... r-11849074

As the FBU have been pointing out for the last few days there are no evacuation requirements in residential tower blocks. Meaning that unlike commercial properties which have a legal obligation to hold things like fire drills with wardens - tower blocks have none of this. The stay-put advice is there so the fire service can escort people out in a controlled way, preventing mass panic and injury as 300 people tried to exit the building.

So when she was asked if she'd change the stay-put advice given on the day her answer was no. The press appears to want to hang her for a logical, if not bluntly stated, opinion based on the fact.

The choice to criticise the people who risked their lives as a consequence of the problem, prior to investigating who allowed the residential building to be turned in the candles is bizarre.

It reeks of the dead cat strategy.

[delboy1983]

Who signed the fire certificate after the cladding was fitted, and is he now someplace sunny.

[Zambo]

Who signed the fire certificate after the cladding was fitted, and is he now someplace sunny.

I'd settle for somewhere very hot.

[m4rkb]

Amazing how the firefighters have copped the blame when they were the heroes on that night: That Lawrence woman being the worst offender.

I'm also surprised that the person / organisation who passed the cladding hasn't been brought to book yet or the person manufacturing it for downgrading the standard.

Whoever it is must have friends in the right place.

[delboy1983]

As said before someone signed off the fire certificate for this building and that needs to be part of any report.

[m4rkb]

As said before someone signed off the fire certificate for this building and that needs to be part of any report.

I agree but they signed it off on the basis of other reports and certificates verifying the materials were up to standard. Not quite sure if the installation method was involved but I suspect it was. Somewhere along the line either the testing certification was flawed or the materials used were subsequently changed.

There can't be many more scenarios involved other than these basic ones , surely?

[Petingo]

This twat can always be relied on to speak sympathetically about the sufferings of those less fortunate than himself.

[Zambo]

Someone who is trained, has experienced in a situation you find yourself in tells you do do something, then quite naturally you do it. It wasn't though everyone could open a door and walk outside, as it might be if you lived in a house. Cretinous thing to say.

[Ralph]

Someone who is trained, has experienced in a situation you find yourself in tells you do do something, then quite naturally you do it. It wasn't though everyone could open a door and walk outside, as it might be if you lived in a house. Cretinous thing to say.

I’ve got absolutely no idea what Rees-Mogg is on about. It’s really low to unfairly claim people who burnt to death in a fire lacked common sense.

They followed the stay put procedure and the advice they were given by the fire brigade.

[m4rkb]

I listened to the live interview and it did not come across as that.

RM paid enormous tribute to the firefighters for their undoubted bravery while admitting the central policy of staying put might have been questionable.

That's what this is. An attempt to discredit people in the aftermath of total confusion in circumstances that had never been seen before. No politician, counsellor ,whether Labour or Conservative is to blame. Those who either fraudulently and knowingly passed the fire rating of the cladding or subsequently changed the manufacturing spec are the ones responsible for this.

[Reg]

I don't think he meant to blame the victims - but "common sense" is a ridiculous thing to say.

I was in a serious fire once, and as I was about to pass out, with the whole floor filling with back smoke, someone was about to throw water on burning oil ("common sense" reaction).

Fortunately, I was able to stop him, and it ended up OK with no injuries.

(Incidentally, I had already tried the recommended procedure - put a damp towel over the initial fire, which went up in a flame!)

I have worked in a peripheral way on tower blocks, and the best ones have ingenious structures which go against "common sense".

If a fire-fighter told me to do something, I would take their word over common sense every time.