Zambo wrote:Will the inevitable appeal be successful?
You can't revoke her citizenship, she was born here. They have been revoking the citizenship of people who are nationalized citizens. Syria could deport her today to the UK.
Not sure that will happen considering there are about 39,000 refugees held in camps in North East Syria, where Begum is. Perhaps you're talking hypothetically. It would be more advisable to stay where she is.
As people on here will know, I'm far from a "bleeding heart liberal" and my first reaction was "fuck her - she made her bed now she can lie in it"
However, I've changed my view somewhat.
This girl was groomed to leave her family, her life and her friends to go to a 3rd world shithole and be a baby making machine at the age of 15, just in the way that young girls were groomed to go off and have sex with Asian men at a similar age. They weren't dragged off the streets and raped, they were coerced into going along with their vile scheme yet no-one says "tough shit, you were 15 you knew what you were doing"
Having seen her interview and the fact that she displays no remorse, doesn't lead me to think that this means she's evil, but far more likely that she's somewhere on the autistic spectrum.
Depending on where you are on the spectrum, people with autism do not understand empathy so they simply don't get how the thoughts they vocalise can affect someone who is hearing them. If you were a "normal" person wanting to get back, you'd absolutely say anything you know will try and elicit sympathy from the people back home whether you believed it or not. The fact she doesn't speaks volumes.
Bringing her back and working with her could actually be very useful in a poacher turned gamekeeper role, who better to dissuade others from doing what she did than someone who's been through it, lived it and found out that life is fucking hellish.
15-year-olds do not make good life decisions, imagine being told that whatever views you have at 15, however you felt, however you dressed, you are stuck with until the day you die - fuck me there would be a lot of 50-year-old goths moping around the place.
Take another religion, can you imagine being brought up as a Jehovas witness which you realise when you leave home really isn't for you, then a year later being involved in an accident that requires you to have a blood transfusion and the doctor saying "Sorry, at 15 you didn't believe in blood transfusions - tough shit"
15-year-old girls get absolutely enveloped in all sorts of things, you only have to look at some who started off wanting to lose a bit of weight and finding themselves in pro-anorexia and bulimia sites, they make friends and start talking about their now rapidly developing eating disorder as their friends "Anna" and "Mia".
Kurt Cobain killed himself and a few girls who were so into Nirvana decided that they wanted to kill themselves too.
Given enough encouragement and people grooming you even adults can fall for this stuff, you only have to look at the Heaven's Gate cult where they killed themselves in a belief that they were going to be picked up by a comet, or WACO Texas where 24 Britons who had left their homes and their lives, lived and died.
Life, and why people do the things they do is far more complex than just deciding that a 15-year-old is an evil bitch.
Whilst I don't think we should risk a single life to extract her, if she manages to find her way back, she should be a allowed to come back home and be rehabilitated.
Personally as an immigrant I find every English gal I've met to be mental as you like and they're adults now. If you stuck em all together you wouldn't make a girlfriend out of the lot. Aaaand if you speak to their dads who are also mental like children tbf they tell you they weren't all there when they were 15 either. That gal deserves a chance.
Comparing young girls that have had sex with dirty old men to girls that have researched an evil terrorist group and decided to join is a misguided argument.
Vespa wrote:For those that don't know Micheal Heaver is one of Arron Banks westmonster chums. Nina Schick is a Cambridge philosophy graduate, full-time political consultant and pollster. Only one of them have thought through their argument.
I’d love to know what his answer was to the final point in the second video. If we can refuse to accept people back who’ve committed crime, why would other countries let us deport foreign criminals.
It’s a much more complicated issue than he’s willing to acknowledge.
Kowalski wrote:Comparing young girls that have had sex with dirty old men to girls that have researched an evil terrorist group and decided to join is a misguided argument.
There is no comparison.
I don't believe for a second that a 15 year old girl managed to arrange all her own transport to where she ended up without her being helped by someone who would have groomed her to do it.
Javid is playing to the crowd, but it is possible paolo
The home secretary is relying on section 40(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 to strip Begum of her passport. It says he can “by order deprive a person of a citizenship status if the Secretary of State is satisfied that deprivation is conducive to the public good”, and if they have behaved in a way that “is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom”.
It's pretty sickening though listening to all of the bleeding hearts.
When your heart is blue, there is nothing you can do. Keep Right On
Zambo wrote:Javid is playing to the crowd, but it is possible paolo
The home secretary is relying on section 40(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 to strip Begum of her passport. It says he can “by order deprive a person of a citizenship status if the Secretary of State is satisfied that deprivation is conducive to the public good”, and if they have behaved in a way that “is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom”.
It's pretty sickening though listening to all of the bleeding hearts.
Of course he is, his government have shown themselves to be a useless bunch of twats who couldn't orginise a piss up in a brewery, weaklings who willingly have bent over and got shafted over their Brexit negotiations. This is their one chance to look "Tough" by picking on a weak target.
Kowalski wrote:Comparing young girls that have had sex with dirty old men to girls that have researched an evil terrorist group and decided to join is a misguided argument.
There is no comparison.
I don't believe for a second that a 15 year old girl managed to arrange all her own transport to where she ended up without her being helped by someone who would have groomed her to do it.
She may have been persuaded but to compare her to girls abused by dodgy cabbies and fast food workers is ridiculous.
They were just poor sexually abused girls, this was a person seduced by blood thirst and murder.
