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Hillman avenger wrote:Think carefully...

If you vote Tory, you will NOT be "Getting Brexit Done".
That is for 2020 and there must be an 80% chance of it resulting in a no deal exit.
Which will disable our economy for generations.

One of the MANY issues not discussed ( or on my town's case, discussed by our MP who demonstrated his failure to understand) is that :

WE NEED an EU deal. It represents half our current trade. No deal would cause massive damage to certain industries, agriculture and fisheries amongst them.

But the EU will not let us trade as we are now once we are not members. They WILL , though , expect any of our exports to comply with regulation ( though that will be regulation we will have no say in, and which most critically will expose services exports). Tariffs are far less of an issue. Paperwork, once outside the customs union, will absorb much resource and be enough to prevent some small firms from even trying to.

So even if we got a deal, we could never get anywhere like the level of business we have now.

SO we would need another substantial trade deal. Forget ANZAC- peanuts and already sewn up by China. Forget China; Germany is already their top partner ( EU member or not).

NO it is the US. But the regulation- or lack of it- that the US would expect would directly conflict with that which the EU expects. GM foods would be one small example.

THEY ARE INCOMPATIBLE.

So there is NO WAY we can do both. There is NO WAY we can even do either in one year, unless we roll over and accept all their demands. Whatever route unfolds, economic disaster awaits.



Oh I wish I'd read that before Hillman !
Now I've gone and voted without knowing what I wanted again ! I think a lot of other people must have done the same - will you be demanding a re run....
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when do the results of this shit show start coming in?
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Hillman avenger wrote:
Vespa wrote:
Hillman avenger wrote:So as it's only £500k that's OK is it?
And the rest?
And the Russian money?
The naivety is remarkable.


What cap would you put on political donations?

Whatever you do people find a way around it.
As the NRA did for Trump.
For example there is a fresh one about money going to the Leave organisation via a third party.
It's WHO is funding them that's the issue.
In this case the people who actually profit from falling UK stocks, who are the target of EU tax evasion measures. Do you think they donate out of their desire to see a certain type of UK in the future?
Why do you think Russians donate? London is known to be one of the best places to launder money and they wouldn't want that disturbed.
The Tory party is being used to deliver optimum conditions for these people and the millions who will obediently elect them are induced to do so with shallow promises and fear mongering about the alternatives.
These people will pick off what they need from us and move on.
But what cap would you put on political donations?

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Well it looks like the majority were clear. :lol:
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Zambo wrote:Well it looks like the majority were clear. :lol:


Indeed.

I'm looking forward to tuning in to James O'Brien on LBC this morning :)

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So the geography teacher ex-hippie look is not popular. Have Abbott as a sidekick would not have helped.
Thornberry's QT appearance was the killer blow when she said she would campaign to reject Labour''s own deal with the EU, to Remain.
That confirmed Labour as a Remain party.
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Steve Hunt wrote:
Zambo wrote:Well it looks like the majority were clear. :lol:


Indeed.

I'm looking forward to tuning in to James O'Brien on LBC this morning :)


Even I might take a listen (for a couple of minutes anyway).
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Roy Twing wrote:
Steve Hunt wrote:
Zambo wrote:Well it looks like the majority were clear. :lol:


Indeed.

I'm looking forward to tuning in to James O'Brien on LBC this morning :)


Even I might take a listen (for a couple of minutes anyway).


I think we're all on the same page with that one. The sour grapes will suddenly taste as sweet as sugar. :D

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Haha :lol:

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Meanwhile Dianne Abbott has just done some of her own counting
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m4rkb wrote:
Roy Twing wrote:
Steve Hunt wrote:
Zambo wrote:Well it looks like the majority were clear. :lol:


Indeed.

I'm looking forward to tuning in to James O'Brien on LBC this morning :)


Even I might take a listen (for a couple of minutes anyway).


I think we're all on the same page with that one. The sour grapes will suddenly taste as sweet as sugar. :D

He seems to be quite reasonable today.

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m4rkb wrote:Meanwhile Dianne Abbott has just done some of her own counting
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35k majority in Hackney North and Stoke Newington :rolleyes:
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AlcoholBrazil wrote:So the geography teacher ex-hippie look is not popular. Have Abbott as a sidekick would not have helped.
Thornberry's QT appearance was the killer blow when she said she would campaign to reject Labour''s own deal with the EU, to Remain.
That confirmed Labour as a Remain party.

So that would only have appealed to 16 million people.
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Hillman avenger wrote:
AlcoholBrazil wrote:So the geography teacher ex-hippie look is not popular. Have Abbott as a sidekick would not have helped.
Thornberry's QT appearance was the killer blow when she said she would campaign to reject Labour''s own deal with the EU, to Remain.
That confirmed Labour as a Remain party.

So that would only have appealed to 16 million people.


Clearly it didn't though. You called it wrong again Hillman
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I quote this bloke a lot because I never disagree with a word he says.
Traditional Labour, trade unionist (although recently booted out of the FBU for personal comments not aligned to their hierarchy): Pure common sense.

This explains what those in the liberal metropolitan elite echo chamber *fail to understand*

https://unherd.com/2019/12/is-this-the-end-for-labour/

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