Ex Tory Minister

[Holden Mcgroyne]

Labour suspends Kelvin Hopkins MP over sexual misconduct claim

Party launches investigation into claims, which Guardian understands were brought to then-chief whip’s attention two years ago, following fresh evidence

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... misconduct

"This article is more than two years old"

Piss-poor attempt at deflection, as per.

Sorry that reporting the historical suppression of sexual assault has a statute of limitations.

It says an awful lot that rather than comment on this current story you scrabble around on the internet trying to find something related to a Labour MP.
Why would you do that, unless you have an agenda?

Took 30 seconds of ‘scrabbling’ around to find numerous reports of the Labour Party covering up serious allegations of sexual impropriety. Strikes me that the agenda on this thread started with all the teeth gnashing about the Conservative MP arrested and not yet charged.

You've admitted to scrabbling around. Good.
Anyway, not sure why you're so desperate to deflect.
The point being is that in any other profession, you would be suspended from your job if you'd been arrested on a rape charge. For reasons unknown, this Tory MP has been allowed to carry on as if nothing has happened. That's not right.

Newsnight did a report last night for which they'd interviewed HR departments in big businesses all around the country. Not a single one agreed that they'd suspend an employee in these circumstances.

[Zambo]

Jess Phillìps talking a load of bollocks as usual. Too many people's lives have been ruined by naming them before they are found guilty of a crime. She's going on as though she has already found him so.

Rape suspects are not granted automatic anonymity, though, Zambo – why should MPs get special dispensation?
You either have a rule or you don't. You can't just make one up on the spot.

They shouldn't, but giving anonymity should happen to everyone. No one should have their lives and carers ruined by the word 'suspicion'.

[subsub]

Jess Phillìps talking a load of bollocks as usual. Too many people's lives have been ruined by naming them before they are found guilty of a crime. She's going on as though she has already found him so.

Rape suspects are not granted automatic anonymity, though, Zambo – why should MPs get special dispensation?
You either have a rule or you don't. You can't just make one up on the spot.

They shouldn't, but giving anonymity should happen to everyone. No one should have their lives and careers ruined by the word 'suspicion'.

I agree with that, Zambo.
Too many people's reputations have been tarnished over false accusations.
But until that law comes in, I still don't see why this MP hasn't been named. You can't have one rule for politicians and another for the general public.

[Zambo]

Agree.

[Vespa]

[
Newsnight did a report last night for which they'd interviewed HR departments in big businesses all around the country. Not a single one agreed that they'd suspend an employee in these circumstances.

Did they say they would sit on a sexual assault claim for four months and do fuck all with it?
It's pretty clear the Tory Party didn't want this investigated.

[Jonathan]

[
Newsnight did a report last night for which they'd interviewed HR departments in big businesses all around the country. Not a single one agreed that they'd suspend an employee in these circumstances.

Did they say they would sit on a sexual assault claim for four months and do fuck all with it?
It's pretty clear the Tory Party didn't want this investigated.

Yeah it stinks of them trying to sweep it under the carpet. Amazed that they even thought that was still possible these days.

[shabbado]

Jess Phillìps talking a load of bollocks as usual. Too many people's lives have been ruined by naming them before they are found guilty of a crime. She's going on as though she has already found him so.

Rape suspects are not granted automatic anonymity, though, Zambo – why should MPs get special dispensation?
You either have a rule or you don't. You can't just make one up on the spot.

They shouldn't, but giving anonymity should happen to everyone. No one should have their lives and careers ruined by the word 'suspicion'.

I agree with that, Zambo.
Too many people's reputations have been tarnished over false accusations.
But until that law comes in, I still don't see why this MP hasn't been named. You can't have one rule for politicians and another for the general public.

The Tweet that i posted a page or two back makes for interesting reading.

From a legal stand point defendants do not have any right to anonymity. Complainants do but defendants don't.

So why has the media decided against naming the Tory MP in question whilst happily naming high profile celebrities who've been accused of sex crimes? This appears to be more an issue with the media itself. Showing them up for the self serving cunts that we all know that they are.

I'm in agreement with yourself and Zambo in so far as anonymity should be granted to the accused in such cases unless there are exceptional circumstances

[Vespa]

Jess Phillìps talking a load of bollocks as usual. Too many people's lives have been ruined by naming them before they are found guilty of a crime. She's going on as though she has already found him so.

Rape suspects are not granted automatic anonymity, though, Zambo – why should MPs get special dispensation?
You either have a rule or you don't. You can't just make one up on the spot.

They shouldn't, but giving anonymity should happen to everyone. No one should have their lives and careers ruined by the word 'suspicion'.

I agree with that, Zambo.
Too many people's reputations have been tarnished over false accusations.
But until that law comes in, I still don't see why this MP hasn't been named. You can't have one rule for politicians and another for the general public.

The Tweet that i posted a page or two back makes for interesting reading.

From a legal stand point defendants do not have any right to anonymity. Complainants do but defendants don't.

So why has the media decided against naming the Tory MP in question whilst happily naming high profile celebrities who've been accused of sex crimes? This appears to be more an issue with the media itself. Showing them up for the self serving cunts that we all know that they are.

I'm in agreement with yourself and Zambo in so far as anonymity should be granted to the accused in such cases unless there are exceptional circumstances

This government has opposed any move to provide anonymity for those arrested for sexual crimes. Unless it seems if it's one of their mates.

[Holden Mcgroyne]

[
Newsnight did a report last night for which they'd interviewed HR departments in big businesses all around the country. Not a single one agreed that they'd suspend an employee in these circumstances.

Did they say they would sit on a sexual assault claim for four months and do fuck all with it?
It's pretty clear the Tory Party didn't want this investigated.

Does it matter if it’s 4 hours or 4 months ? What was the alleged victim expecting the Tory party to do ? If she’s been assaulted, she should have gone to the police on day one, not wait for some internal party investigation to take place

[Vespa]

[
Newsnight did a report last night for which they'd interviewed HR departments in big businesses all around the country. Not a single one agreed that they'd suspend an employee in these circumstances.

Did they say they would sit on a sexual assault claim for four months and do fuck all with it?
It's pretty clear the Tory Party didn't want this investigated.

Does it matter if it’s 4 hours or 4 months ? What was the alleged victim expecting the Tory party to do ? If she’s been assaulted, she should have gone to the police on day one, not wait for some internal party investigation to take place

It's the victims fault then, okay gotcha.

[birdie]

[
Newsnight did a report last night for which they'd interviewed HR departments in big businesses all around the country. Not a single one agreed that they'd suspend an employee in these circumstances.

Did they say they would sit on a sexual assault claim for four months and do fuck all with it?
It's pretty clear the Tory Party didn't want this investigated.

Does it matter if it’s 4 hours or 4 months ? What was the alleged victim expecting the Tory party to do ? If she’s been assaulted, she should have gone to the police on day one, not wait for some internal party investigation to take place

Yes it does matter, if an assault has taken place, and don't forget the allegation isn't just a hand up 'er jumper, it's full on rape, the physical evidence would be there in some form or other, after 4 months it's just her word against his.

[Jon Gout]

Bit suspicious how his Twitter and Facebook accounts were deleted on Sunday. Is that even legal? Seems like it might be an attempt to destroy evidence anyway, who knows what skeletons were in those digital closets.

[Holden Mcgroyne]

Bit suspicious how his Twitter and Facebook accounts were deleted on Sunday. Is that even legal? Seems like it might be an attempt to destroy evidence anyway, who knows what skeletons were in those digital closets.

Don’t think it’s him and though he didn’t have an active twitter account, there was a very good parody one.

[Jon Gout]

It says a lot about the Tories how you can look at the long list of people it could be and you wouldn't be surprised if any of the cunts were the one.

[shabbado]

Bit suspicious how his Twitter and Facebook accounts were deleted on Sunday. Is that even legal? Seems like it might be an attempt to destroy evidence anyway, who knows what skeletons were in those digital closets.

There's zero doubt that 'deleting' your Facebook or Twitter account actually deletes anything.