Er yeah really. Everyone pigeonholed by certain people. You can't criticise gay people or Muslims, otherwise you are a homophobe or an islamophobe. So which are you going for?
It's fine to criticise individuals if they hold moronic views and blame immigrants and Muslims for everything.
+1Zambo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:03 pmEr yeah really. Everyone pigeonholed by certain people. You can't criticise gay people or Muslims, otherwise you are a homophobe or an islamophobe. So which are you going for?
Me personally, yeah I think you should be able to speak your mind about anyone without being automatically labelled, but you are dodging bullets on here. I mean even when you actually state and clarify your position several times it makes no difference. I'm hurt.
#tissues
as per, the left, alt left, far left and socialists not only will win, they have wonHillman avenger wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:07 pmIt takes some doing to make things worse but you managed it.
BTW the far right across Europe in retreat. The German fascists are down a third of their seats.
Depends what you mean by pragmatism I guess. Well and tolerance for that matter. Tolerance of what?Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:54 am I Can't think of any major country currently led by a left-wing movement.
Good news, though, is how populist parties are largely in decline.
As for the Netherlands, there is much we could learn from their pragmatism and tolerance, but probably won't.
I wouldn’t say that populist parties are largely in decline. That’s just dismissing the undercurrent of anti-establishment, anti-immigrant and anti-Liberal sentiment that exists and to pretend otherwise is quite worrying. We have far-right parties in power in Hungary, Poland and Austria. Fringe populist parties in Parliament in Spain, far right, nationalist parties in Serbia, other eastern countries as well as in Germany and even typically liberal democracies like Holland and Scandinavia.Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:54 am I Can't think of any major country currently led by a left-wing movement.
Good news, though, is how populist parties are largely in decline.
As for the Netherlands, there is much we could learn from their pragmatism and tolerance, but probably won't.
Two years ago the AfD got 30% of the vote.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:58 amI wouldn’t say that populist parties are largely in decline. That’s just dismissing the undercurrent of anti-establishment, anti-immigrant and anti-Liberal sentiment that exists and to pretend otherwise is quite worrying. We have far-right parties in power in Hungary, Poland and Austria. Fringe populist parties in Parliament in Spain, far right, nationalist parties in Serbia, other eastern countries as well as in Germany and even typically liberal democracies like Holland and Scandinavia.Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:54 am I Can't think of any major country currently led by a left-wing movement.
Good news, though, is how populist parties are largely in decline.
As for the Netherlands, there is much we could learn from their pragmatism and tolerance, but probably won't.
As anti-EU feeling rises with the UK setting a precedent other sceptics will try to follow. Trump has shown that if you’re a demagogue, you can tear up the rule book and get into power where you can really tap into people's’ fears. What Trump has done will take probably a decade or two to reverse.
On what do you base your comments that populist parties are in decline? They’ve not really gone anywhere, there haven't melted away in the bat of an eyelid. Just because the BBC doesn’t report it, doesn’t mean that divisive movements have disappeared. I'd actually say that in the US, there are about seventy million people who voted for Trump whose figurehead is about to leave the white House. What happens to them? It's easy for us to just say fuck 'em, but not all of them are thick blue collar workers who haven't had a decent education.
Looking at the post you’re replying to would be a start.Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:16 pmTwo years ago the AfD got 30% of the vote.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:58 amI wouldn’t say that populist parties are largely in decline. That’s just dismissing the undercurrent of anti-establishment, anti-immigrant and anti-Liberal sentiment that exists and to pretend otherwise is quite worrying. We have far-right parties in power in Hungary, Poland and Austria. Fringe populist parties in Parliament in Spain, far right, nationalist parties in Serbia, other eastern countries as well as in Germany and even typically liberal democracies like Holland and Scandinavia.Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:54 am I Can't think of any major country currently led by a left-wing movement.
Good news, though, is how populist parties are largely in decline.
As for the Netherlands, there is much we could learn from their pragmatism and tolerance, but probably won't.
As anti-EU feeling rises with the UK setting a precedent other sceptics will try to follow. Trump has shown that if you’re a demagogue, you can tear up the rule book and get into power where you can really tap into people's’ fears. What Trump has done will take probably a decade or two to reverse.
On what do you base your comments that populist parties are in decline? They’ve not really gone anywhere, there haven't melted away in the bat of an eyelid. Just because the BBC doesn’t report it, doesn’t mean that divisive movements have disappeared. I'd actually say that in the US, there are about seventy million people who voted for Trump whose figurehead is about to leave the white House. What happens to them? It's easy for us to just say fuck 'em, but not all of them are thick blue collar workers who haven't had a decent education.
Last time out 9%
Wilders has lost out in every referendum he demanded.
Support for the EU has increased.
81m people in the US turned out to reject it, having seen the havoc Trump created.
BTW I don't just look at the BBC. Very far from it.
You’ve not answered my post, especially the last paragraph.Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:16 pmTwo years ago the AfD got 30% of the vote.kancutlawns wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:58 amI wouldn’t say that populist parties are largely in decline. That’s just dismissing the undercurrent of anti-establishment, anti-immigrant and anti-Liberal sentiment that exists and to pretend otherwise is quite worrying. We have far-right parties in power in Hungary, Poland and Austria. Fringe populist parties in Parliament in Spain, far right, nationalist parties in Serbia, other eastern countries as well as in Germany and even typically liberal democracies like Holland and Scandinavia.Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:54 am I Can't think of any major country currently led by a left-wing movement.
Good news, though, is how populist parties are largely in decline.
As for the Netherlands, there is much we could learn from their pragmatism and tolerance, but probably won't.
As anti-EU feeling rises with the UK setting a precedent other sceptics will try to follow. Trump has shown that if you’re a demagogue, you can tear up the rule book and get into power where you can really tap into people's’ fears. What Trump has done will take probably a decade or two to reverse.
On what do you base your comments that populist parties are in decline? They’ve not really gone anywhere, there haven't melted away in the bat of an eyelid. Just because the BBC doesn’t report it, doesn’t mean that divisive movements have disappeared. I'd actually say that in the US, there are about seventy million people who voted for Trump whose figurehead is about to leave the white House. What happens to them? It's easy for us to just say fuck 'em, but not all of them are thick blue collar workers who haven't had a decent education.
Last time out 9%
Wilders has lost out in every referendum he demanded.
Support for the EU has increased.
81m people in the US turned out to reject it, having seen the havoc Trump created.
BTW I don't just look at the BBC. Very far from it.
They rarely get polarised and there is very much in their culture a "if it doesn't harm anyone, why not?" outlook.Zambo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:25 amDepends what you mean by pragmatism I guess. Well and tolerance for that matter. Tolerance of what?Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:54 am I Can't think of any major country currently led by a left-wing movement.
Good news, though, is how populist parties are largely in decline.
As for the Netherlands, there is much we could learn from their pragmatism and tolerance, but probably won't.
Different definition by different groups of people. I mean you don't think Democrats are Socialists
kancutlawns wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:58 amI wouldn’t say that populist parties are largely in decline. That’s just dismissing the undercurrent of anti-establishment, anti-immigrant and anti-Liberal sentiment that exists and to pretend otherwise is quite worrying. We have far-right parties in power in Hungary, Poland and Austria. Fringe populist parties in Parliament in Spain, far right, nationalist parties in Serbia, other eastern countries as well as in Germany and even typically liberal democracies like Holland and Scandinavia.Hillman avenger wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:54 am I Can't think of any major country currently led by a left-wing movement.
Good news, though, is how populist parties are largely in decline.
As for the Netherlands, there is much we could learn from their pragmatism and tolerance, but probably won't.
Yes they all have populist movements but largely they have stalled or declined. Voting for AfD for example, has fallen by more than half. I suspect the spectacle of the last four years in the US has shown people that installing amateurs fixes nothing.
As anti-EU feeling rises with the UK setting a precedent other sceptics will try to follow. Trump has shown that if you’re a demagogue, you can tear up the rule book and get into power where you can really tap into people's’ fears. What Trump has done will take probably a decade or two to reverse.
On what do you base your comments that populist parties are in decline? They’ve not really gone anywhere, there haven't melted away in the bat of an eyelid. Just because the BBC doesn’t report it, doesn’t mean that divisive movements have disappeared.
I don't just monitor the BBC. Far from it. You were telling me a few days ago I shouldn't look at Stormfront.
I'd actually say that in the US, there are about seventy million people who voted for Trump whose figurehead is about to leave the white House. What happens to them? It's easy for us to just say fuck 'em, but not all of them are thick blue collar workers who haven't had a decent education.
