historical abuses of muslim countries

[paolo]

people are quick to condemn, but slow to remember

the anglo american empire has politically or forcefully fucked just about every muslim country there is in modern times

when will it end?

all oil or other motives?

[The Tick]

Empires come and go. Each one leaves its own trail of destruction. Ours is merely the latest

[beingsoblase]

No it isn't as well you know.

[paolo]

Empires come and go. Each one leaves its own trail of destruction. Ours is merely the latest

you're right there, but when you look deeper into 20th and 21st century control, it is almost 100%

did it worsen when nixon put the currency on it?

how much have the people suffered/been repressed by economic cardship, sanctions, conflict, political instability caused by the anglo american empire?

[The Tick]

The Anglo American nexus has an unprecedented advantage over its predecessors and contemporaries in its ability to control so much. Primarily through technology and raw materials and knowledge. It is frightening. But ultimately all civilisations fall on their own sword (or missiles).

[Royal24s]

At any point in History there is a dominant culture to which more primitive cultures have to give way. This is progress.
No country or society can be sustained by memories of romantic notions. It cannot be resurrected by some vague desire on the part of unrealistic dreamers who view it through the prism of history, nor should it be because most of these inferior past cultures were cruel and all of them were deeply faulted.

[Royal24s]

Actually, it seems that our own society and culture has been subverted from within to such an extent that it leaves a huge vacuum which must inevitably be filled by a more proactive one in the near future. What is disturbing is that in this case we have not been defeated or overrun by an enemy who will improve things in the long run, but simply become so weak and pointless that we have been eaten away by parasitic maggots from within.
This isn't unique historically, but there has generally been something there to step into the gap created by the collapse of a great civilisation. The only alternatives which are presently apparent now though are all pretty grim and very regressive.

[Rabble]

At any point in History there is a dominant culture to which more primitive cultures have to give way. This is progress.
No country or society can be sustained by memories of romantic notions. It cannot be resurrected by some vague desire on the part of unrealistic dreamers who view it through the prism of history, nor should it be because most of these inferior past cultures were cruel and all of them were deeply faulted.

Might is right?

[Royal24s]

At any point in History there is a dominant culture to which more primitive cultures have to give way. This is progress.
No country or society can be sustained by memories of romantic notions. It cannot be resurrected by some vague desire on the part of unrealistic dreamers who view it through the prism of history, nor should it be because most of these inferior past cultures were cruel and all of them were deeply faulted.

Might is right?

Yes, I suppose so if you want to put it that way. The fact is that to quote Mao I think, all political power comes ultimately from the barrel of a gun. We might not like it, but in the end the most powerful culture will dominate. We might delude ourselves that up till recently we held a position of prominence in the world because we were more civilised than other cultures, but that was coincidental actually - it was because we had lots of guns, aeroplanes and ships.
Whatever, albeit diminished, position of influence we still hold is due entirely to our possession of nuclear weapons, ( something the EU might like to bear in mind). The dominance of the USA isn't because the world loves their pop music or denim jeans, or indeed because they even comprehend the unique freedoms of the Constitution, it's because they've got huge military capabilities.
All cultures which predominate an age convince themselves that it's because they're spreading a superior morality, but if we're realistic it's more to do with conquest.

The bright side of this is that advanced societies usually improve things for everyone to some extent simply because they can afford to, and because it's implicit from their success that they had some good ideas in the first place in order to become economically and consequently militarily powerful.

[Hillman avenger]

To be fair, we didn't pick out muslims for this treatment.
Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Catholics, and many more were all treated to our civilising approach in return for us removing their wealth.

[Royal24s]

To be fair, we didn't pick out muslims for this treatment.
Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Catholics, and many more were all treated to our civilising approach in return for us removing their wealth.

As were we by Romans, Saxons ,Norsemen and Normans. (Although the last two were really the same).
Do you think we should get slavery reparations from these people ? I know it was a long time before I was born , but I can't get over it and I think that's what's stopping me from behaving properly.

[Royal24s]

I'm afraid we're just not the worlds worst country Hillman. Disappointing isn't it ?