Lifelong supporter of XXXXXX Party

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If we really must draw analogies with football*, then what about the "protest vote"; how does that translate into fandom?

Possibly ... "I'm an Arsenal fan, but I hope we get beaten just to stop Spurs doing some fucking thing".
How do we all feel about that? Cutting your nose off to spite your face, some may say.

(*) and we don't, of course.

I guess it would be something like if Arsenal were playing Chelsea, and an Arsenal win would hand Spurs the title, then I assume 99.9% of Arsenal fans would want Chelsea to beat them.
Obviously, Spurs will never win the league in my lifetime, so we're talking hypothetically

[JudgeTedd]

Would you vote for the party that since 1997 has put up the following MPs.
Ian Stewart - an idle sod, who we then got lumbered with as Mayor of Salford.
Hazel Blears - expenses fiddler
Rebecca Wrong-Bailey - tells lies . I know they all do, but hers affects us here.
We used to have honourable MPs. They'd turn in their graves at this lot.

I’d have to take a look at all the candidates and make a thoughtful choice. Rather than plonk my mark down just because that person represents a certain “team”. Which is the whole point of this thread.

Some of us did take a good long look at these and decided not to support them. Unfortunately in this area a mentally deficient monkey would get elected if it wore the correct rosette.

Hence why I started this thread. I can’t get my head around people who support a Party effectively because of its name.

[Vespa]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

[Salem]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

Maybe because it would be construed as a nasty racist party .

You know , Scotish Nationalism good , Welsh Nationalism good , English Nationalism................filthy racist .

What's the point ?

[Vespa]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

Maybe because it would be construed as a nasty racist party .

You know , Scotish Nationalism good , Welsh Nationalism good , English Nationalism................filthy racist .

What's the point ?

To be fair all the English nationalist parties I've seen are indisputable racist, but they were set up as racist parties. But, I don't see a problem setting up a party whose goal is to represent English voters in a union of three and a half countries that isn't populated knuckle dragging racists.

[The Tick]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

Because english nationalism is based on supremacism, aggression and exclusivity whereas its scots and welsh counterparts are based on a resistance to said supremacism and a more open hearted ethos. Mind you, I'm not entirely keen on the scots and welsh varieties either.

A watered down and fair minded english national party would be dismissed as too soft and woke for those who already have a more robust approach in mind.

[chelseachelsea]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

Because english nationalism is based on supremacism, aggression and exclusivity whereas its scots and welsh counterparts are based on a resistance to said supremacism and a more open hearted ethos. Mind you, I'm not entirely keen on the scots and welsh varieties either.

A watered down and fair minded english national party would be dismissed as too soft and woke for those who already have a more robust approach in mind.

What a load of tosh

[The Tick]

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

[Salem]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

Because english nationalism is based on supremacism, aggression and exclusivity whereas its scots and welsh counterparts are based on a resistance to said supremacism and a more open hearted ethos. Mind you, I'm not entirely keen on the scots and welsh varieties either.

A watered down and fair minded english national party would be dismissed as too soft and woke for those who already have a more robust approach in mind.

There you go Vespa , the Tick has proved my point . You're welcome

[Vespa]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

Because english nationalism is based on supremacism, aggression and exclusivity whereas its scots and welsh counterparts are based on a resistance to said supremacism and a more open hearted ethos. Mind you, I'm not entirely keen on the scots and welsh varieties either.

A watered down and fair minded english national party would be dismissed as too soft and woke for those who already have a more robust approach in mind.

There you go Vespa , the Tick has proved my point . You're welcome

One person out of the entire voting population of England proves your point?

[Salem]

Never understood why there isn't an English nationalist party on the mould of the SNP or plaid cymru - I'd think it would do quite well.

Because english nationalism is based on supremacism, aggression and exclusivity whereas its scots and welsh counterparts are based on a resistance to said supremacism and a more open hearted ethos. Mind you, I'm not entirely keen on the scots and welsh varieties either.

A watered down and fair minded english national party would be dismissed as too soft and woke for those who already have a more robust approach in mind.

There you go Vespa , the Tick has proved my point . You're welcome

One person out of the entire voting population of England proves your point?

You should know that the minority rule now . Even though it's one voice (?) on this forum , others out there see it the same and they shout louder than the majority .

An English nationalist party would be a target for the rabid left , no matter how many there are of them

[birdie]

Would you vote for the party that since 1997 has put up the following MPs.
Ian Stewart - an idle sod, who we then got lumbered with as Mayor of Salford.
Hazel Blears - expenses fiddler
Rebecca Wrong-Bailey - tells lies . I know they all do, but hers affects us here.
We used to have honourable MPs. They'd turn in their graves at this lot.

Don't forget Joan Lestor who we had foisted on us after she was kicked out in another seat in '83.

We haven't fared too well, MP wise.

Yet you keep on voting them in.

[birdie]

Would you vote for the party that since 1997 has put up the following MPs.
Ian Stewart - an idle sod, who we then got lumbered with as Mayor of Salford.
Hazel Blears - expenses fiddler
Rebecca Wrong-Bailey - tells lies . I know they all do, but hers affects us here.
We used to have honourable MPs. They'd turn in their graves at this lot.

I’d have to take a look at all the candidates and make a thoughtful choice. Rather than plonk my mark down just because that person represents a certain “team”. Which is the whole point of this thread.

Some of us did take a good long look at these and decided not to support them. Unfortunately in this area a mentally deficient monkey would get elected if it wore the correct rosette.

I may be mistaken (probably am) but didn't Hartlepool vote in a monkey as Mayor many decades ago, or was it when they hanged a monkey because they said it was a spy?

[VeritasVincit]

Would you vote for the party that since 1997 has put up the following MPs.
Ian Stewart - an idle sod, who we then got lumbered with as Mayor of Salford.
Hazel Blears - expenses fiddler
Rebecca Wrong-Bailey - tells lies . I know they all do, but hers affects us here.
We used to have honourable MPs. They'd turn in their graves at this lot.

Don't forget Joan Lestor who we had foisted on us after she was kicked out in another seat in '83.

We haven't fared too well, MP wise.

Yet you keep on voting them in.

Methinks you are under a misaprehension.
I haven't voted any of them in. Which should be clear from what I posted.

[birdie]

Would you vote for the party that since 1997 has put up the following MPs.
Ian Stewart - an idle sod, who we then got lumbered with as Mayor of Salford.
Hazel Blears - expenses fiddler
Rebecca Wrong-Bailey - tells lies . I know they all do, but hers affects us here.
We used to have honourable MPs. They'd turn in their graves at this lot.

Don't forget Joan Lestor who we had foisted on us after she was kicked out in another seat in '83.

We haven't fared too well, MP wise.

Yet you keep on voting them in.

Methinks you are under a misaprehension.
I haven't voted any of them in. Which should be clear from what I posted.

Apologies, by 'you' I did, of course, mean the electorate of that constituency.