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Sounds like plenty of rage coming from the usual bigoted, anti-English suspects too.

Hes Irish. There are a lot of Irish folks who are not keen on the British armed forces, with very good reason, in their eyes.

I think a lot of people forget what we did to Ireland and their people up until fairly recently. It is understandable for him to not want to wear one, you can't force people to.

I don't understand why people refuse to look at both of sides of the coin. Especially with something like this, the British invaded and occupied Ireland and still have basically stolen a chunk of it, surely you can understand there might be some anomisity there. Would you love the french if they had done the same and to this day, kept London as a French city? Probably not.

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Most people, including McClean, have sympathy for the victims of war, but like it or not the poppy remains a politicised symbol.

No one should feel pressured to wear one, and I personally find the whole poppy hysteria quite nauseating.

I agree. If he doesn’t want to wear one then so be it. I can understand his reasons why. The abuse the ITN newsreader gets is also ridiculous.

Perhaps he could wear a green poppy, to commemorate the 49,000 Irishmen who died in WW1 and the over 7,500 [some reckon 10,000+] who died in WW2.
He has been quoted as saying that he has no objections to commemorating the fallen of these conflicts.

Poppy fascism seems to have been ramped up this year.

I noticed Brighton’s kit had poppies in them at Yhe Park at t’ weekend.

And then on MOTD all the away teams seemed to be the same.

Heretofore....that is to say from some time round about a decade and a half or so when this aggressive poppy wearing became a thing in the wake of two very unpopular wars half the world away and the manufacturing of consent for same.... ..the drill was a team wore a poppy on their shirts on the occasion of the closest home match to Armistice Day but never on away kits.

Then there is the X Factor.

I don’t watch that show but last night I caught a trailer for it and it showed a clip of Saturday night’s briadcast, which had a Halloween theme and the principals were in fancy dress.

The bloke whom introduces it was dressed as Dracula.

Simon Cowell was wrapped from head to toe in bandages, presumably he was a mummy.

Robbie Williams was dressed as an outlandish Simon Cowell

And the other two judges were dressed in similiar garb.

And all of them had a great big poppy stuck on their costumes.

That is, a bloke in a Dracula costume and another dressed as an Egyptian mummy.

Not only did it look ridiculous....but it looked totally disrespectful.

The same shit every year.. You want to wear a poppy, wear one. If you don't want to wear one then don't.

I wear a poppy of some kind for most of the year, not just late October/ early November. That's my choice, if folk choose not to wear a poppy that's fine with me.

Sinbad wrote:I wear a poppy of some kind for most of the year, not just late October/ early November. That's my choice, if folk choose not to wear a poppy that's fine with me

Hang on, you wear a poppy all the year round EXCEPT in the run-up to Remembrance Sunday?

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Sinbad wrote:I wear a poppy of some kind for most of the year, not just late October/ early November. That's my choice, if folk choose not to wear a poppy that's fine with me

Hang on, you wear a poppy all the year round EXCEPT in the run-up to Remembrance Sunday?

Where did i say that ?

Sinbad wrote:

subsub wrote:

Sinbad wrote:I wear a poppy of some kind for most of the year, not just late October/ early November. That's my choice, if folk choose not to wear a poppy that's fine with me

Hang on, you wear a poppy all the year round EXCEPT in the run-up to Remembrance Sunday?

Where did i say that ?

Sorry, Sin, misread it. I thought you said 'just not late October' etc

My mistake

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Sinbad wrote:The same shit every year.. You want to wear a poppy, wear one. If you don't want to wear one then don't.

I wear a poppy of some kind for most of the year, not just late October/ early November. That's my choice, if folk choose not to wear a poppy that's fine with me.

Same here, Ive got a cool enamel hull city poppy that I leave on my jacket all year round.

But if you dont wanna wear one, who cares.

Eaststand wrote:

Sinbad wrote:The same shit every year.. You want to wear a poppy, wear one. If you don't want to wear one then don't.

I wear a poppy of some kind for most of the year, not just late October/ early November. That's my choice, if folk choose not to wear a poppy that's fine with me.

Same here, Ive got a cool enamel hull city poppy that I leave on my jacket all year round.

But if you dont wanna wear one, who cares.

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Reg wrote:Most people, including McClean, have sympathy for the victims of war, but like it or not the poppy remains a politicised symbol.

No one should feel pressured to wear one, and I personally find the whole poppy hysteria quite nauseating.

Indeed and a great shame. A symbol of remembrance, turned by many into a political one. Wear one or don't wear one, no one should be castigated for their choice, but those who use it too make a political statement like McLean are cunts. It is common knowledge what his views are and why he refuses to wear one on his football shirt. He should therefore expect chants from football fans, and he does himself no favours by quoting Bobby Sands in retaliation. The Poppy has fuck all to do with whether you are an IRA sympathiser and supporter, or whether you support the British army, it's to show respect and to honour those who gave their lives in wars. You can still do that of course without wearing one, but don't turn the choice not to wear one for reasons like McLean does.

Zambo wrote:

Reg wrote:Most people, including McClean, have sympathy for the victims of war, but like it or not the poppy remains a politicised symbol.

No one should feel pressured to wear one, and I personally find the whole poppy hysteria quite nauseating.

Indeed and a great shame. A symbol of remembrance, turned by many into a political one. Wear one or don't wear one, no one should be castigated for their choice, but those who use it too make a political statement like McLean are cunts. It is common knowledge what his views are and why he refuses to wear one on his football shirt. He should therefore expect chants from football fans, and he does himself no favours by quoting Bobby Sands in retaliation. The Poppy has fuck all to do with whether you are an IRA sympathiser and supporter, or whether you support the British army, it's to show respect and to honour those who gave their lives in wars. You can still do that of course without wearing one, but don't turn the choice not to wear one for reasons like McLean does.

Maybe he wants to woo Jeremy Corbyn into becoming a Stoke fan.