Policeman killed

[Hillman avenger]

The usual parade of uninformed cliches..

1. Our police ARE armed. Every force has an armed capability, and usually that is on the scene in a short time. Ports and airports, and large public events, have armed officers .And these are specialist, well-trained officers, not the minimally-trained officers you see carrying guns in the US.
2. Have a look at how many incidents in the US boil down to officers shooting wildly, or even losing their weapons.
3. Many police officers would walk from the job if expected to carry a gun.
4. This officer was a traffic officer. From what is known so far he was dragged by a vehicle, very likely when he reached inside to take the keys. Being armed would make no difference in that scenario.

Apart from that...

[Roy Twing]

If police were armed they would be feared more by the criminal elements. It’s time we got tough on crime

I can't disagree

If killing a member of the police 'service' remained a capital offence, there would be fewer such instances.

Absolutely!

I hope they bring back the death sentence for killing a member of the police force. The electric chair would be great for frying the murderers

Im not a fan of gypsies. I find them feral and completely lawless.

The usual suspects a knee jerking like they're doing a Highland jig.

The crime rate in this country is relatively low. Despite the current government doing their level best to grind the police force into dust.

As for arming the police as a matter of routine being the answer to all of societies ills? Isn't it the case that countries who do arms their police have higher per capita murder rates than we do? The same applies for the death sentence

Regarding the scumbags.who murdered the policeman. You guys are normally 'straigjt talkers' but appear to be skirting round the fact that the perpetrators are white. You've focused on the fact that they're are travellers involved but not their ethnicity. Why is that?1

This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world*, certainly in europe.
As to your strawman regarding ethnicity, just take a look at prison ethnicity stats.
Take the blinkers off.

*violent crime, not murder rates.

[shabbado]

If police were armed they would be feared more by the criminal elements. It’s time we got tough on crime

I can't disagree

If killing a member of the police 'service' remained a capital offence, there would be fewer such instances.

Absolutely!

I hope they bring back the death sentence for killing a member of the police force. The electric chair would be great for frying the murderers

Im not a fan of gypsies. I find them feral and completely lawless.

The usual suspects a knee jerking like they're doing a Highland jig.

The crime rate in this country is relatively low. Despite the current government doing their level best to grind the police force into dust.

As for arming the police as a matter of routine being the answer to all of societies ills? Isn't it the case that countries who do arms their police have higher per capita murder rates than we do? The same applies for the death sentence

Regarding the scumbags.who murdered the policeman. You guys are normally 'straigjt talkers' but appear to be skirting round the fact that the perpetrators are white. You've focused on the fact that they're are travellers involved but not their ethnicity. Why is that?1

This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world*, certainly in europe.
As to your strawman regarding ethnicity, just take a look at prison ethnicity stats.
Take the blinkers off.

*violent crime, not murder rates.

Nae strawman here Twing.

You and your little Highland dancing troupe would be literally foaming at the mouth had it been a Blackman who was behind the wheel of the car.

Do you have a source for your claim that 'This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world'

[Roy Twing]

If police were armed they would be feared more by the criminal elements. It’s time we got tough on crime

I can't disagree

If killing a member of the police 'service' remained a capital offence, there would be fewer such instances.

Absolutely!

I hope they bring back the death sentence for killing a member of the police force. The electric chair would be great for frying the murderers

Im not a fan of gypsies. I find them feral and completely lawless.

The usual suspects a knee jerking like they're doing a Highland jig.

The crime rate in this country is relatively low. Despite the current government doing their level best to grind the police force into dust.

As for arming the police as a matter of routine being the answer to all of societies ills? Isn't it the case that countries who do arms their police have higher per capita murder rates than we do? The same applies for the death sentence

Regarding the scumbags.who murdered the policeman. You guys are normally 'straigjt talkers' but appear to be skirting round the fact that the perpetrators are white. You've focused on the fact that they're are travellers involved but not their ethnicity. Why is that?1

This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world*, certainly in europe.
As to your strawman regarding ethnicity, just take a look at prison ethnicity stats.
Take the blinkers off.

*violent crime, not murder rates.

Nae strawman here Twing.

You and your little Highland dancing troupe would be literally foaming at the mouth had it been a Blackman who was behind the wheel of the car.

Do you have a source for your claim that 'This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world'

It is a strawman, because your lot can't help but assume that we're racists, looking for black people to blame, when in reality it's the other way around - we simply take the blinkers off and see trends in certain groups, ethnic, cultural or religious, and believe they should be discussed.
Your lot have been somehow brainwashed into believing it is racist to even contemplate.

And yes I do have a source, - you will struggle to find any recent comparison for all violent crime, - the pretext is that different countries have different methods of recording.
The most recent stats I've managed to find are dated 2001, - a report called 'international comparisons of criminal justice statistics'.
I would greatly like to see a more recent one, but I guess they don't bother anymore.
Let me know if you can't find it - I'll be happy to scan & send it.

[Roy Twing]

I've found a copy of the report in question online - for reference (table 1.3, page 12):

http://www.ospba.org/wp-content/uploads ... istics.pdf

[Devondevon]

If police were armed they would be feared more by the criminal elements. It’s time we got tough on crime

I can't disagree

If killing a member of the police 'service' remained a capital offence, there would be fewer such instances.

Absolutely!

I hope they bring back the death sentence for killing a member of the police force. The electric chair would be great for frying the murderers

Im not a fan of gypsies. I find them feral and completely lawless.

The usual suspects a knee jerking like they're doing a Highland jig.

The crime rate in this country is relatively low. Despite the current government doing their level best to grind the police force into dust.

As for arming the police as a matter of routine being the answer to all of societies ills? Isn't it the case that countries who do arms their police have higher per capita murder rates than we do? The same applies for the death sentence

Regarding the scumbags.who murdered the policeman. You guys are normally 'straigjt talkers' but appear to be skirting round the fact that the perpetrators are white. You've focused on the fact that they're are travellers involved but not their ethnicity. Why is that?1

This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world*, certainly in europe.
As to your strawman regarding ethnicity, just take a look at prison ethnicity stats.
Take the blinkers off.

*violent crime, not murder rates.

Nae strawman here Twing.

You and your little Highland dancing troupe would be literally foaming at the mouth had it been a Blackman who was behind the wheel of the car.

Do you have a source for your claim that 'This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world'

It is a strawman, because your lot can't help but assume that we're racists, looking for black people to blame, when in reality it's the other way around - we simply take the blinkers off and see trends in certain groups, ethnic, cultural or religious, and believe they should be discussed.
Your lot have been somehow brainwashed into believing it is racist to even contemplate.

And yes I do have a source, - you will struggle to find any recent comparison for all violent crime, - the pretext is that different countries have different methods of recording.
The most recent stats I've managed to find are dated 2001, - a report called 'international comparisons of criminal justice statistics'.
I would greatly like to see a more recent one, but I guess they don't bother anymore.
Let me know if you can't find it - I'll be happy to scan & send it.

Gypsies are a massive problem blighting communities across the country. Even the police seem scared or unsure what to do about their criminal behaviour.

[Hillman avenger]

Heenan has been banned permanently before.
He is back nonetheless.
The childish style , phrasing and primitive reasoning give him away.

[Hillman avenger]

Argument 5

Losing 22000 police officers is far more likely to have had an effect in this case than guns or their absence. It has meant many more officers are single-crewing.

[delboy1983]

Heenan has been banned permanently before.
He is back nonetheless.
The childish style , phrasing and primitive reasoning give him away.

Refreshing nonetheless.

[Devondevon]

FAO: Zambo, leader82, Roy Twing, Holden, M4rkb, Salem, delboy1953 and Paolo

Many prisoners cannot be rehabilitated.

Do you remember the shocking murder of that Vietnamese lady who was raped, tortured and then murdered by being burnt alive?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... goc-nguyen

The murderers had previously met in prison when they were both servong sentences for brutal violent murders

Why were they let out?

Its all too common im afraid

The criminal justice system is not fit for purpose and a complete failure

[paolo]

Heenan has been banned permanently before.
He is back nonetheless.
The childish style , phrasing and primitive reasoning give him away.

one would hope he is free to voice opinions with the childish, crass bullying that acimoanies so many of your posts

you simply cannot disagree without the nastiness

I challenge you to disagree, and disagree strongly but to drop the nasty edge to your posts, it really is unnecessary

I offer you the first olive branch, i welcome your opinion, your disagreeance and stand with you in eliminating the parts that lead to folks being riled

clean slate

[m4rkb]

FAO: Zambo, leader82, Roy Twing, Holden, M4rkb, Salem, delboy1953 and Paolo

Many prisoners cannot be rehabilitated.

Do you remember the shocking murder of that Vietnamese lady who was raped, tortured and then murdered by being burnt alive?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... goc-nguyen

The murderers had previously met in prison when they were both servong sentences for brutal violent murders

Why were they let out?

Its all too common im afraid

The criminal justice system is not fit for purpose and a complete failure

I've met and known absolutely shit loads of crooks who have no intention whatsoever of reforming themselves. None at all. Prison is an occupational hazard they don't mind where they get to meet up with their mates who are in there.

Of course the dumb probationers fall for it them when they are told 'I regret my actions and intend to turn over a new leaf'.

Some will but I'd say you can tell those quite easily.

[shabbado]

If police were armed they would be feared more by the criminal elements. It’s time we got tough on crime

I can't disagree

If killing a member of the police 'service' remained a capital offence, there would be fewer such instances.

Absolutely!

I hope they bring back the death sentence for killing a member of the police force. The electric chair would be great for frying the murderers

Im not a fan of gypsies. I find them feral and completely lawless.

The usual suspects a knee jerking like they're doing a Highland jig.

The crime rate in this country is relatively low. Despite the current government doing their level best to grind the police force into dust.

As for arming the police as a matter of routine being the answer to all of societies ills? Isn't it the case that countries who do arms their police have higher per capita murder rates than we do? The same applies for the death sentence

Regarding the scumbags.who murdered the policeman. You guys are normally 'straigjt talkers' but appear to be skirting round the fact that the perpetrators are white. You've focused on the fact that they're are travellers involved but not their ethnicity. Why is that?1

This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world*, certainly in europe.
As to your strawman regarding ethnicity, just take a look at prison ethnicity stats.
Take the blinkers off.

*violent crime, not murder rates.

Nae strawman here Twing.

You and your little Highland dancing troupe would be literally foaming at the mouth had it been a Blackman who was behind the wheel of the car.

Do you have a source for your claim that 'This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world'

It is a strawman, because your lot can't help but assume that we're racists, looking for black people to blame, when in reality it's the other way around - we simply take the blinkers off and see trends in certain groups, ethnic, cultural or religious, and believe they should be discussed.
Your lot have been somehow brainwashed into believing it is racist to even contemplate.

And yes I do have a source, - you will struggle to find any recent comparison for all violent crime, - the pretext is that different countries have different methods of recording.
The most recent stats I've managed to find are dated 2001, - a report called 'international comparisons of criminal justice statistics'.
I would greatly like to see a more recent one, but I guess they don't bother anymore.
Let me know if you can't find it - I'll be happy to scan & send it.

Excellent stuff Roy.

So just to recap the only source you can cite to back up your assertion that 'This country is one of the most violent crime-ridden in the developed world' is 18 years old.

Scintillating debate and discussion as always.

[m4rkb]

I think it's pretty obvious that things have got worse since 2001 without drawing on fiddled statistics to prove black is white.

[Devondevon]

Many criminals cannot be reformed. Just as how dangerous dogs are put downand so should these criminals.

Why waste taxpayers money on feeding these parasites?

Another thing id like to see if parole boards and judges face manslaughter or murder charges and given lengthy prison sentences for releasing an offender who goes on to commit rape or murder again