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Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:09 am
by Zambo
Carlos J wrote:
subsub wrote:
Zambo wrote:Both keepers well of the goal line. Scrap the law or enforce it.

And Schmeichel bleating about a stuttering run-up when he was 2 yards off the line...

https://talkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p1265802
Carlos J wrote:Will they use VAR on pens. Obviously not.

Yeah a farce Carlos.

Incidentally, can you choose my lottery numbers for this week. :wink:
Carlos J wrote:Russia's to lose.
Carlos J wrote:Stay tuned for pens, kancut.

I'm calling a Denmark win.
Carlos J wrote:The Danes are going to win. :drinkers: :)

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:26 am
by The Ghost of Alex Higgins
Argie keeper would have run off his line, picked the ball up off the penalty spot, sprinted to the other end, booted it in the goal then run back screaming at the whistle-blowing ref, crowding him and calling his mother a bag of rubbish

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:39 am
by tennisman
What would the referees do if the player taking the penalty placed the ball a metre further forward towards the goal before taking it?

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:08 am
by Zambo
tennisman wrote:What would the referees do if the player taking the penalty placed the ball a metre further forward towards the goal before taking it?

He wouldn't be able to get away with it, because it would be immediately evident to everyone. Keepers moving seems to have been accepted by many, including refs and FIFA, otherwise the likes of Collina would have put a stop to it.

It just makes it a farce because refs are ignoring a basic law.

Just emailed IFAB with the following.

Please advise why referees at the world cup are totally ignoring the following aspect of Law 14.

'The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts until the ball has been kicked.'

And more importantly why are they not being reminded about enforcing it.

Thank You

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:13 am
by tennisman
Zambo wrote:
tennisman wrote:What would the referees do if the player taking the penalty placed the ball a metre further forward towards the goal before taking it?

He wouldn't be able to get away with it, because it would be immediately evident to everyone. Keepers moving seems to have been accepted by many, including refs and FIFA, otherwise the likes of Collina would have put a stop to it.

It just makes it a farce because refs are ignoring a basic law.


We are agreed on this.

But to use your words, Zambo, keepers moving forward prior to the strike is also immediately evident.

The referees appear to orient themselves so that they are facing the keepers, presumably so that they listen for the strike whilst watching the keeper.

With all the VAR focus this time, that they don't do something about the keepers makes it more of a farce.

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:20 am
by Zambo
tennisman wrote:
Zambo wrote:
tennisman wrote:What would the referees do if the player taking the penalty placed the ball a metre further forward towards the goal before taking it?

He wouldn't be able to get away with it, because it would be immediately evident to everyone. Keepers moving seems to have been accepted by many, including refs and FIFA, otherwise the likes of Collina would have put a stop to it.

It just makes it a farce because refs are ignoring a basic law.


We are agreed on this.

But to use your words, Zambo, keepers moving forward prior to the strike is also immediately evident.

The referees appear to orient themselves so that they are facing the keepers, presumably so that they listen for the strike whilst watching the keeper.

With all the VAR focus this time, that they don't do something about the keepers makes it more of a farce.


There are two officials present at penalty kicks, the ref and one assistant. There are two possible infringements to watch out for.

1. Ensure that the keeper is on the goal line and he doesn't move forward until the ball is kicked.

2. Players do not encroach into the box until the kick is taken.

When I reffed I had the assistant in line with the edge of the box to watch out for encroachment. I took the goal line to see if the ball had crossed the line and whether keeper had moved.

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:30 am
by subsub
Zambo wrote:
tennisman wrote:
Zambo wrote:
tennisman wrote:What would the referees do if the player taking the penalty placed the ball a metre further forward towards the goal before taking it?

He wouldn't be able to get away with it, because it would be immediately evident to everyone. Keepers moving seems to have been accepted by many, including refs and FIFA, otherwise the likes of Collina would have put a stop to it.

It just makes it a farce because refs are ignoring a basic law.


We are agreed on this.

But to use your words, Zambo, keepers moving forward prior to the strike is also immediately evident.

The referees appear to orient themselves so that they are facing the keepers, presumably so that they listen for the strike whilst watching the keeper.

With all the VAR focus this time, that they don't do something about the keepers makes it more of a farce.


There are two officials present at penalty kicks, the ref and one assistant. There are two possible infringements to watch out for.

1. Ensure that the keeper is on the goal line and he doesn't move forward until the ball is kicked.

2. Players do not encroach into the box until the kick is taken.

When I reffed I had the assistant in line with the edge of the box to watch out for encroachment. I took the goal line to see if the ball had crossed the line and whether keeper had moved.

Zambo, of all the well-knowns refs over the past 20 years or so, which one would you say you are most like, in terms of personality/manner etc?

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:10 pm
by Zambo
It's a toss up between this geezer and Clive Thomas :D



Out of the current list Andre Marriner. Out of the ones I've ever seen George Courtney

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:51 pm
by Moby Dicky
Maurice Fussey surely?

Re: World Cup Second Round: Croatia v Denmark

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:21 pm
by Zambo
Just had en email back from David Ellery, saying it's not us mate, we only decide on the laws for FIFA we have nothing to do with implementing them :D

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Time to contact the main man. He won't fuck about

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