Jeremy Corbyn

[Ralph]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

You never know, the great unwashed could well be very high in numbers by then.

Unless there's some terrible disaster that leaves only the residents of North Islington alive, Labour won't win the general election with Corbyn in charge. Labour members have lost their minds.

[Roy Twing]

There's a lot of rich irony to develop in this thread.

[colinthewarriormonkey]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

Not as far as I'm concerned, I think that politics is stagnant - there's no real difference between the tories and labour these days.

It's about time britain had a choice and if they choose a proper socialist than that's a victory for democracy.

I always thought that people should be more concerned with what's best for the country, not whether their team wins.

[Lord Notin Kwestion]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

It isn't so in my case.
As I've previously stated, - I voted labour until it gave up its principles in order to simply be able to win an election.
I despise the labour party for this (amongst other reasons).
Corbyn would return the party to its natural values.

You voted Labour???





Maybe in a different life.

[m4rkb]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

You've hit the nail on the head there Colin. With Corbyn he's laid his beliefs on the table and if you like them and enough people vote for them he'll be in government. As he's laid everything out so well you also have a distinct advantage in not voting for him if you don't like what you see.

With the others, it will be all backdoor socialism hence why the proper Labour supporters don't want him as leader. They know sensible people won't vote for him and want to introduce their laftist ideas via the trojan horse approach with a well polished media image at the helm full of propaganda a la Tony Blair to make it all wash.

If nothing else, I respect Corbyn for being an honest politician not a trickster and someone who draws a clear dividing line between the choices.

[Roy Twing]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

Not as far as I'm concerned, I think that politics is stagnant - there's no real difference between the tories and labour these days.

It's about time britain had a choice and if they choose a proper socialist than that's a victory for democracy.

I always thought that people should be more concerned with what's best for the country, not whether their team wins.

Spot on.
I think my real hatred of the labour party was cemented when I heard that blears creature, when asked what had new labour ever achieved, she said "3 election victories".

Edit - it might have been only 2 at the time she said it

[The Tick]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

You never know, the great unwashed could well be very high in numbers by then.

Unless there's some terrible disaster that leaves only the residents of North Islington alive, Labour won't win the general election with Corbyn in charge. Labour members have lost their minds.

If Labour win a future general election under a pseudo Tory ticket, how do the working poor and unemployed stand to gain anything? One might as well just vote Tory anyway in that case.

I haven't voted Labour in a general election since 2001. The only Labour candidate I voted for since then was Ken in the London Mayoral ones.

What Labour did in the 1990's was tough to agree with but I felt as long as some left wing principles were kept it was ok. By the Iraq war in 2003 it had all but gone. And a decade on by being a red Tory, Ed Miliband pandered to the same press that crucified him while losing voters in Scotland to the SNP and voters in England to apathy. That hurt Labour as much as the UKIP surge and the Tory ability to shift focus away from the rancid finance sector. Kudos to Ed for ruining call me Dave's desire to make Syria his Iraq, in fairness.

Take the 2015 Welfare Bill. A unified Labour opposition to it along with the SNP, LIB Dems and DUP could have scuppered it and not condemned the most vulnerable in society to more hell. But they abstained (with honourable exceptions including Corbyn) to avoid being seen to be too left wing by middle England voters. The priority should have been to stick up for the people who had voted their MP's in to fight such injustices. But no, they are chasing the votes of people who are naturally inclined towards Toryism. A lot of those who defected to vote for Labour in 1997 were Tories with socially liberal attitudes. Now the Tory party has embraced the centre ground and become more metropolitan at the top on social issues, these guys have gone back.

For me a Corbyn leadership would not be about ideological purity, it would be about having an ideology at all. What the other candidates represent is the metropolitan elitism cited by Labour voters who have defected to UKIP or the SNP or who give up voting altogether. Cooper, Burnham and Kendall are all well meaning people I'm sure, but they do not stand much chance of winning in 2020 either.

Corbyn won't bring revolution, but a voice for those who are desperate to be heard.



Let's give Corbyn a chance, assuming he wins. Let him form a shadow cabinet made up of various wings of the party, but one that champions those who are hit hardest by Tory austerity.

[colinthewarriormonkey]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

You never know, the great unwashed could well be very high in numbers by then.

Unless there's some terrible disaster that leaves only the residents of North Islington alive, Labour won't win the general election with Corbyn in charge. Labour members have lost their minds.

If Labour win a future general election under a pseudo Tory ticket, how do the working poor and unemployed stand to gain anything? One might as well just vote Tory anyway in that case.

I haven't voted Labour in a general election since 2001. The only Labour candidate I voted for since then was Ken in the London Mayoral ones.

What Labour did in the 1990's was tough to agree with but I felt as long as some left wing principles were kept it was ok. By the Iraq war in 2003 it had all but gone. And a decade on by being a red Tory, Ed Miliband pandered to the same press that crucified him while losing voters in Scotland to the SNP and voters in England to apathy. That hurt Labour as much as the UKIP surge and the Tory ability to shift focus away from the rancid finance sector. Kudos to Ed for ruining call me Dave's desire to make Syria his Iraq, in fairness.

Take the 2015 Welfare Bill. A unified Labour opposition to it along with the SNP, LIB Dems and DUP could have scuppered it and not condemned the most vulnerable in society to more hell. But they abstained (with honourable exceptions including Corbyn) to avoid being seen to be too left wing by middle England voters. The priority should have been to stick up for the people who had voted their MP's in to fight such injustices. But no, they are chasing the votes of people who are naturally inclined towards Toryism. A lot of those who defected to vote for Labour in 1997 were Tories with socially liberal attitudes. Now the Tory party has embraced the centre ground and become more metropolitan at the top on social issues, these guys have gone back.

For me a Corbyn leadership would not be about ideological purity, it would be about having an ideology at all. What the other candidates represent is the metropolitan elitism cited by Labour voters who have defected to UKIP or the SNP or who give up voting altogether. Cooper, Burnham and Kendall are all well meaning people I'm sure, but they do not stand much chance of winning in 2020 either.

Corbyn won't bring revolution, but a voice for those who are desperate to be heard.



Let's give Corbyn a chance, assuming he wins. Let him form a shadow cabinet made up of various wings of the party, but one that champions those who are hit hardest by Tory austerity.

[the rotary club]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

It isn't so in my case.
As I've previously stated, - I voted labour until it gave up its principles in order to simply be able to win an election.
I despise the labour party for this (amongst other reasons).
Corbyn would return the party to its natural values.

You voted Labour???





Maybe in a different life.

Indeed the main thing wrong with the assertion is simply that it's bollocks!

According to Twing out of principle he stopped voting Labour when they gave up their principles and hence moved to the right. To demonstrate his commitment to those long held principles so close to his heart he did exactly the same and moved right even adopting the right wing / roy twing internet nom de plume to share his new found 'principles' with world

It takes some believing.

[The Tick]

He's the Ben Elton of talkforum, then.

[colinthewarriormonkey]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

It isn't so in my case.
As I've previously stated, - I voted labour until it gave up its principles in order to simply be able to win an election.
I despise the labour party for this (amongst other reasons).
Corbyn would return the party to its natural values.

You voted Labour???





Maybe in a different life.

Indeed the main thing wrong with the assertion is simply that it's bollocks!

According to Twing out of principle he stopped voting Labour when they gave up their principles and hence moved to the right. To demonstrate his commitment to those long held principles so close to his heart he did exactly the same and moved right even adopting the right wing / roy twing internet nom de plume to share his new found 'principles' with world

It takes some believing.

Not really

Unless you think that no labour voter is capable of being concerned about immigrants coming into the country or the rise of a foreign religion.

It may surprise you to know that many labour voters are working class people with real working class problems who see their neighbourhoods being overrun.

It just shows that you are as out of touch with the common man as your new labour grandees.

[The Tick]

Not really, Roy Twing has expressed right wing (or roy twing) views on almost every topic on here. Assuming he was a Labour supporter pre 1997 he must have been a left winger whose own convictions changed over time regardless of what route Labour took.

[Ralph]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

It isn't so in my case.
As I've previously stated, - I voted labour until it gave up its principles in order to simply be able to win an election.
I despise the labour party for this (amongst other reasons).
Corbyn would return the party to its natural values.

You voted Labour???





Maybe in a different life.

Indeed the main thing wrong with the assertion is simply that it's bollocks!

According to Twing out of principle he stopped voting Labour when they gave up their principles and hence moved to the right. To demonstrate his commitment to those long held principles so close to his heart he did exactly the same and moved right even adopting the right wing / roy twing internet nom de plume to share his new found 'principles' with world

It takes some believing.

Not really

Unless you think that no labour voter is capable of being concerned about immigrants coming into the country or the rise of a foreign religion.

It may surprise you to know that many labour voters are working class people with real working class problems who see their neighbourhoods being overrun.

It just shows that you are as out of touch with the common man as your new labour grandees.

Can't imagine Jeremy Corbyn will be doing much to address people's concerns on immigration. Also won't be holding Cameron's feet to the fire over the Tories' farcical immigration policy.

[Ralph]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

You never know, the great unwashed could well be very high in numbers by then.

Unless there's some terrible disaster that leaves only the residents of North Islington alive, Labour won't win the general election with Corbyn in charge. Labour members have lost their minds.

If Labour win a future general election under a pseudo Tory ticket, how do the working poor and unemployed stand to gain anything? One might as well just vote Tory anyway in that case.

I haven't voted Labour in a general election since 2001. The only Labour candidate I voted for since then was Ken in the London Mayoral ones.

What Labour did in the 1990's was tough to agree with but I felt as long as some left wing principles were kept it was ok. By the Iraq war in 2003 it had all but gone. And a decade on by being a red Tory, Ed Miliband pandered to the same press that crucified him while losing voters in Scotland to the SNP and voters in England to apathy. That hurt Labour as much as the UKIP surge and the Tory ability to shift focus away from the rancid finance sector. Kudos to Ed for ruining call me Dave's desire to make Syria his Iraq, in fairness.

Take the 2015 Welfare Bill. A unified Labour opposition to it along with the SNP, LIB Dems and DUP could have scuppered it and not condemned the most vulnerable in society to more hell. But they abstained (with honourable exceptions including Corbyn) to avoid being seen to be too left wing by middle England voters. The priority should have been to stick up for the people who had voted their MP's in to fight such injustices. But no, they are chasing the votes of people who are naturally inclined towards Toryism. A lot of those who defected to vote for Labour in 1997 were Tories with socially liberal attitudes. Now the Tory party has embraced the centre ground and become more metropolitan at the top on social issues, these guys have gone back.

For me a Corbyn leadership would not be about ideological purity, it would be about having an ideology at all. What the other candidates represent is the metropolitan elitism cited by Labour voters who have defected to UKIP or the SNP or who give up voting altogether. Cooper, Burnham and Kendall are all well meaning people I'm sure, but they do not stand much chance of winning in 2020 either.

Corbyn won't bring revolution, but a voice for those who are desperate to be heard.



Let's give Corbyn a chance, assuming he wins. Let him form a shadow cabinet made up of various wings of the party, but one that champions those who are hit hardest by Tory austerity.

Is Jeremy Corbyn not part of the metropolitan elite? He's been the MP for North Islington since 1983.

[the rotary club]

It's funny isn't it that 3 of the most "right wing" posters on this board all want to see Corbyn do well and all for the same reason, they admire a man of conviction and think that it is important for democracy that Britain has a real choice in who they want to vote for and which way the country should go.

Yet the left leaning people are terrified that he'll become leader because it means their side won't win.

Terrified is strong word, but I think he's got zero chance of winning the 2020 GE & every chance of taking Labour backwards from where they are now. Might explain why the right wingers like the idea of him winning.

It isn't so in my case.
As I've previously stated, - I voted labour until it gave up its principles in order to simply be able to win an election.
I despise the labour party for this (amongst other reasons).
Corbyn would return the party to its natural values.

You voted Labour???





Maybe in a different life.

Indeed the main thing wrong with the assertion is simply that it's bollocks!

According to Twing out of principle he stopped voting Labour when they gave up their principles and hence moved to the right. To demonstrate his commitment to those long held principles so close to his heart he did exactly the same and moved right even adopting the right wing / roy twing internet nom de plume to share his new found 'principles' with world

It takes some believing.

Not really

Unless you think that no labour voter is capable of being concerned about immigrants coming into the country or the rise of a foreign religion.

It may surprise you to know that many labour voters are working class people with real working class problems who see their neighbourhoods being overrun.

It just shows that you are as out of touch with the common man as your new labour grandees.

No that might explain not voting Labour but that doesn't explain decades of voting left and the volte face to being an ardent right wing / roy twing supporter. He berates Labour for giving up their principles yet if you choose to believe him Twanger has done the same only in a more extreme manner, at the very least it's hypocrisy of the highest order or far more likely complete bollocks.