Immigration, Asylum etc. Pt 3

[Ralph]

There's no guarantee the net migration figure is right in the first place. It is after all another 'official' figure we are told is true yet is one of the easiest to manipulate for whatever political advantage the fiddler can come up with. It no more caters for the quality of person leaving this country than it does the quality of person entering, so as a result I take whatever it states with a huge pinch of salt. There are many credible sources which argue our entire population is also vastly under-estimated to begin with so anything surrounding it is based on a false premise anyway.

Presumably the follow-on politically motivated story from this will be the collapse of the NHS because not enough foreigners are coming here to support it , and it will steadfastly refuse to put a figure on the brain-drain we are left with in the opposite direction.

It sounds like good news but there are too few actual facts to substantiate it other than it being a reduction in the overwhelming numbers which were unsustainable beforehand even if you ignore rising birthrates which add that unsustainability anyway.

I'm afraid all of these figures to me, whatever they are, smell of nothing more than so-called facts from the Ministry of Information.

Every single one of these figures is used somewhere in politics to substantiate some kind of political position and we have numerous examples where the lack of any serves an equally useful political position as well.

I agree with all of that m4rk - the establishment are as you say, already spinning the figures to promote the propaganda of 'not enough foreign nurses' etc., - without ever wondering why we need ever greater numbers of support workers.

I only posted the news of the figures to wind ralph up, given that he's spent the last 7 years crowing that the tories weren't living up to their pledge.

You think they are living up to their pledge?

[m4rkb]

It's a no from me.

The more I look at the Conservatives, the more I see Labour in years gone by. They are conserving nothing a true conservative stands for. In fact they should remove that name altogether as it falsely insinuates something they no longer stand for, but on the flip side of the coin it still stands for something much better than the offerings of the modern hard left.

Even the hardcore British socialists of yesteryear who traditionally voted Labour all their lives must wonder if they are still included in the 'bright future' the left claims to offer or whether they are just paying lip service to their needs but can't wait to usher in a new population they favour instead. I certainly feel that way from my right wing point of view vainly hoping someone will uphold the traditional values I believe in.

[Roy Twing]

There's no guarantee the net migration figure is right in the first place. It is after all another 'official' figure we are told is true yet is one of the easiest to manipulate for whatever political advantage the fiddler can come up with. It no more caters for the quality of person leaving this country than it does the quality of person entering, so as a result I take whatever it states with a huge pinch of salt. There are many credible sources which argue our entire population is also vastly under-estimated to begin with so anything surrounding it is based on a false premise anyway.

Presumably the follow-on politically motivated story from this will be the collapse of the NHS because not enough foreigners are coming here to support it , and it will steadfastly refuse to put a figure on the brain-drain we are left with in the opposite direction.

It sounds like good news but there are too few actual facts to substantiate it other than it being a reduction in the overwhelming numbers which were unsustainable beforehand even if you ignore rising birthrates which add that unsustainability anyway.

I'm afraid all of these figures to me, whatever they are, smell of nothing more than so-called facts from the Ministry of Information.

Every single one of these figures is used somewhere in politics to substantiate some kind of political position and we have numerous examples where the lack of any serves an equally useful political position as well.

I agree with all of that m4rk - the establishment are as you say, already spinning the figures to promote the propaganda of 'not enough foreign nurses' etc., - without ever wondering why we need ever greater numbers of support workers.

I only posted the news of the figures to wind ralph up, given that he's spent the last 7 years crowing that the tories weren't living up to their pledge.

You think they are living up to their pledge?

At least they acknowledged that immigration is a problem that needs resolving - more than can be said for your bunch of quislings.

[Roy Twing]

It's a no from me.

The more I look at the Conservatives, the more I see Labour in years gone by. They are conserving nothing a true conservative stands for. In fact they should remove that name altogether as it falsely insinuates something they no longer stand for, but on the flip side of the coin it still stands for something much better than the offerings of the modern hard left.

Even the hardcore British socialists of yesteryear who traditionally voted Labour all their lives must wonder if they are still included in the 'bright future' the left claims to offer or whether they are just paying lip service to their needs but can't wait to usher in a new population they favour instead. I certainly feel that way from my right wing point of view vainly hoping someone will uphold the traditional values I believe in.

I fear that the future looks bleak for those of us with traditional british values (from whatever political stance) - the more I talk to the younger generations the more I'm convinced they've been well and truly engineered into pliant worker drones.

[Ralph]

There's no guarantee the net migration figure is right in the first place. It is after all another 'official' figure we are told is true yet is one of the easiest to manipulate for whatever political advantage the fiddler can come up with. It no more caters for the quality of person leaving this country than it does the quality of person entering, so as a result I take whatever it states with a huge pinch of salt. There are many credible sources which argue our entire population is also vastly under-estimated to begin with so anything surrounding it is based on a false premise anyway.

Presumably the follow-on politically motivated story from this will be the collapse of the NHS because not enough foreigners are coming here to support it , and it will steadfastly refuse to put a figure on the brain-drain we are left with in the opposite direction.

It sounds like good news but there are too few actual facts to substantiate it other than it being a reduction in the overwhelming numbers which were unsustainable beforehand even if you ignore rising birthrates which add that unsustainability anyway.

I'm afraid all of these figures to me, whatever they are, smell of nothing more than so-called facts from the Ministry of Information.

Every single one of these figures is used somewhere in politics to substantiate some kind of political position and we have numerous examples where the lack of any serves an equally useful political position as well.

I agree with all of that m4rk - the establishment are as you say, already spinning the figures to promote the propaganda of 'not enough foreign nurses' etc., - without ever wondering why we need ever greater numbers of support workers.

I only posted the news of the figures to wind ralph up, given that he's spent the last 7 years crowing that the tories weren't living up to their pledge.

You think they are living up to their pledge?

At least they acknowledged that immigration is a problem that needs resolving- more than can be said for your bunch of quislings.

The promise to reduce net immigration to below 100,000 has been in 3 Conservative manifestos. No doubt it’ll be in their next one, and the one after that. They’ll keep promising it for as long as the simple minded keep falling for it.

[Ralph]

It's a no from me.

The more I look at the Conservatives, the more I see Labour in years gone by. They are conserving nothing a true conservative stands for. In fact they should remove that name altogether as it falsely insinuates something they no longer stand for, but on the flip side of the coin it still stands for something much better than the offerings of the modern hard left.

Even the hardcore British socialists of yesteryear who traditionally voted Labour all their lives must wonder if they are still included in the 'bright future' the left claims to offer or whether they are just paying lip service to their needs but can't wait to usher in a new population they favour instead. I certainly feel that way from my right wing point of view vainly hoping someone will uphold the traditional values I believe in.

I fear that the future looks bleak for those of us with traditional british values (from whatever political stance) - the more I talk to the younger generations the more I'm convinced they've been well and truly engineered into pliant worker drones.

Kids today eh Roy. Don’t know they’re born.

[Roy Twing]

There's no guarantee the net migration figure is right in the first place. It is after all another 'official' figure we are told is true yet is one of the easiest to manipulate for whatever political advantage the fiddler can come up with. It no more caters for the quality of person leaving this country than it does the quality of person entering, so as a result I take whatever it states with a huge pinch of salt. There are many credible sources which argue our entire population is also vastly under-estimated to begin with so anything surrounding it is based on a false premise anyway.

Presumably the follow-on politically motivated story from this will be the collapse of the NHS because not enough foreigners are coming here to support it , and it will steadfastly refuse to put a figure on the brain-drain we are left with in the opposite direction.

It sounds like good news but there are too few actual facts to substantiate it other than it being a reduction in the overwhelming numbers which were unsustainable beforehand even if you ignore rising birthrates which add that unsustainability anyway.

I'm afraid all of these figures to me, whatever they are, smell of nothing more than so-called facts from the Ministry of Information.

Every single one of these figures is used somewhere in politics to substantiate some kind of political position and we have numerous examples where the lack of any serves an equally useful political position as well.

I agree with all of that m4rk - the establishment are as you say, already spinning the figures to promote the propaganda of 'not enough foreign nurses' etc., - without ever wondering why we need ever greater numbers of support workers.

I only posted the news of the figures to wind ralph up, given that he's spent the last 7 years crowing that the tories weren't living up to their pledge.

You think they are living up to their pledge?

At least they acknowledged that immigration is a problem that needs resolving- more than can be said for your bunch of quislings.

The promise to reduce net immigration to below 100,000 has been in 3 Conservative manifestos. No doubt it’ll be in their next one, and the one after that. They’ll keep promising it for as long as the simple minded keep falling for it.

Oh I see, - so the official figures aren't showing a dramatic reduction then?

[Ralph]

There's no guarantee the net migration figure is right in the first place. It is after all another 'official' figure we are told is true yet is one of the easiest to manipulate for whatever political advantage the fiddler can come up with. It no more caters for the quality of person leaving this country than it does the quality of person entering, so as a result I take whatever it states with a huge pinch of salt. There are many credible sources which argue our entire population is also vastly under-estimated to begin with so anything surrounding it is based on a false premise anyway.

Presumably the follow-on politically motivated story from this will be the collapse of the NHS because not enough foreigners are coming here to support it , and it will steadfastly refuse to put a figure on the brain-drain we are left with in the opposite direction.

It sounds like good news but there are too few actual facts to substantiate it other than it being a reduction in the overwhelming numbers which were unsustainable beforehand even if you ignore rising birthrates which add that unsustainability anyway.

I'm afraid all of these figures to me, whatever they are, smell of nothing more than so-called facts from the Ministry of Information.

Every single one of these figures is used somewhere in politics to substantiate some kind of political position and we have numerous examples where the lack of any serves an equally useful political position as well.

I agree with all of that m4rk - the establishment are as you say, already spinning the figures to promote the propaganda of 'not enough foreign nurses' etc., - without ever wondering why we need ever greater numbers of support workers.

I only posted the news of the figures to wind ralph up, given that he's spent the last 7 years crowing that the tories weren't living up to their pledge.

You think they are living up to their pledge?

At least they acknowledged that immigration is a problem that needs resolving- more than can be said for your bunch of quislings.

The promise to reduce net immigration to below 100,000 has been in 3 Conservative manifestos. No doubt it’ll be in their next one, and the one after that. They’ll keep promising it for as long as the simple minded keep falling for it.

Oh I see, - so the official figures aren't showing a dramatic reduction then?

They’re showing a temporary drop from the record highs because of the referendum result. The government can’t take credit for that. And net immigration is still well over double what the Tories keep dishonestly claiming is their target.

If net immigration was 230,000 under a Labour government you’d be claiming it was evidence of an open door immigration policy not celebrating it.

[Zambo]

They’re showing a temporary drop from the record highs because of the referendum result. The government can’t take credit for that. And net immigration is still well over double what the Tories keep dishonestly claiming is their target.

Wouldn't that encourage more immigration? A mad rush to get in before the door was shut, particularly for Eastern European countries, who have no business being in the EU in the first place.

[Ralph]

They’re showing a temporary drop from the record highs because of the referendum result. The government can’t take credit for that. And net immigration is still well over double what the Tories keep dishonestly claiming is their target.

Wouldn't that encourage more immigration? A mad rush to get in before the door was shut, particularly for Eastern European countries, who have no business being in the EU in the first place.

Apparently not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 84086.html

[Zambo]

They’re showing a temporary drop from the record highs because of the referendum result. The government can’t take credit for that. And net immigration is still well over double what the Tories keep dishonestly claiming is their target.

Wouldn't that encourage more immigration? A mad rush to get in before the door was shut, particularly for Eastern European countries, who have no business being in the EU in the first place.

Apparently not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 84086.html

That's the highly skilled going back home, leaving the spongers. The rush in after the referendum result was more spongers. This information was made available by Nicola White.

[Hillman avenger]

Who is Nicola White?

[Zambo]

Who is Nicola White?

ONS’s head of international migration statistics

[Kowalski]

From that link:

Maike Bohn, a founding member of EU citizens’ group The 3 Million, said more people would leave until the Government provides certainty over their status over Brexit.

“It takes time for people to relocate their families and lives, it’s not a decision people take lightly and there will be a delay,” she told The Independent. “This trend will continue as the hostile environment bites more and more.”

Ms Bohn said there needs to be a simple, non-discriminatory process for EU citizens to register, adding: “The Government needs to guarantee our current set of rights ... and the current proposal doesn’t do that.”

She raised concern for EU citizens who want to leave the UK but are “trapped” by low incomes or other vulnerabilities, claiming that some councils are discriminating against European residents.

What does she mean by this?

[Roy Twing]

I caught a few minutes of O’Brien on LBC this morning for my sins (absolutely nowt any better on my other fallback channels in the car).
He and some nameless snowflake luvvying it up between themselves, reminding us how thick all the brexiters are.
Anyway, just before I’d had enough (around 10 minutes I’d guess) odious o’brien mentioned again that liberal luvvy chestnut that those of us against mass immigration don’t know what we’re talking about, because ‘immigrants are net contributors to the economy’, and this is the reason I felt compelled to comment on here (I actually thought of phoning LBC but was on the motorway so nowhere to pull over).
My question is quite simply – if ‘immigrants’ are net contributors to the economy, does that mean that the rest of the population are not, and therefore a drain on the system, or are we (as is my assumption) also net contributors (and presumably much greater percentage-wise than)? Whichever is the case, in my opinion it is the answer to the whole mass immigration issue – if in fact, migrants contribute more per capita than the rest of us, then fling the doors wide open and be damned.
If though (as I believe) they contribute less per capita than the rest of us, then the entire establishment is pulling the wool over our eyes as the case for their mass immigration is based upon a massive deceit.
Anybody got the figures?
(Hope that made sense anyway, as it’s long been an issue that I feel has not been fully clarified).