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Roy Twing wrote:

Zambo wrote:Where's the evidence?
Public accusation should mean public disclosure of same
Has France, Germany and USA seen the evidence
If not they should stfu
All Trump has said that there appears to be Russian involvement.
As far as the public goes it could be a set up or it could be Kremlin driven
We don't know.

Absolutely spot on zambo.
Highlighted part in particular, - seems like insanity to me to risk war with a major nuclear power unless there not a shadow of doubt of guilt, - and even then....

Its called distraction. It got May out of the house to stand around looking concerned and weirdly bigging up salisbury, didnt it?

Some big news is getting buried.

Steve Hunt wrote:

VeritasVincit wrote:We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do
We've got the ships, we've got the men. we've got the money too
We've fought the Bear before, and while we're Britons true
The Russians shall not have [enter anything you want].

Unfortunately;
We haven’t got the ships,
we haven’t got the men,
we haven't got the money.

We have fought the Bear before:
The Charge of the Light Brigade!

We haven't got the political leaders either,VV

The Royal Family are showing more of a backbone with their boycotting the World Cup. No one would notice in any case but still.

Eaststand wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

Zambo wrote:Where's the evidence?
Public accusation should mean public disclosure of same
Has France, Germany and USA seen the evidence
If not they should stfu
All Trump has said that there appears to be Russian involvement.
As far as the public goes it could be a set up or it could be Kremlin driven
We don't know.

Absolutely spot on zambo.
Highlighted part in particular, - seems like insanity to me to risk war with a major nuclear power unless there not a shadow of doubt of guilt, - and even then....

Its called distraction. It got May out of the house to stand around looking concerned and weirdly bigging up salisbury, didnt it?

Some big news is getting buried.

- Telford
- Brexit negotiation shambles
- & Parliament voted to remove free school meals for the poorest families

Former UK ambassador Craig Murray writes:

"I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO (UK government Foreign Office) source that the UK's Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve agent as being of Russian manufacture."

Writing in The Sunday Times, about the poisoning of Sergei Skripal, Andrew Gilligan and Tony Allen-Mills write:

"Why deploy the one weapon that would instantly identify the Kremlin as the number one suspect in the case?"

Gilligan and Allen-Mills remind us that the UK government has refused to investigate the laundering, in the UK, of certain stolen Russian money.


It was Andrew Gilligan who was sacked by the BBC, and threatened with death, after he suggested that a UK government document on Iraq had been 'sexed up'.

In The Herald, John Inglis writes:

"Why has the British Government refused to show the evidence to the Russians when asked? ...

"It is shocking to discover that Russian oligarchs have donated to the Conservative Party..."

David J Crawford writes:

"I read that the centre that was trying to manufacture the new class of chemical weapons was in Uzbekistan not Russia and that following the collapse of the USSR the facility was dismantled under the watchful eye of the United States.

"The other imponderable is how our experts at Porton Down, our own chemical weapons facility, can be so certain of the provenance of the incriminated toxic substance without verifiable samples to compare it with."

William Burns writes:

"I cannot get to grips with the idea that Russian secret services would try to bump off the former spy Sergei Skripal with a poisoning agent knowing it would be like leaving a calling card, implicating them directly, when they could have done it in numerously more efficient ways...

"Could this be but another distraction to build up support in the propaganda battle against Russia for supporting President Assad and the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party in Syria?

"It seems more likely to me that British agents were behind the attack in an attempted publicity murder of Vladimir Putin."

This has got a Trump bungle all over it with Britain playing along.

delboy1983 wrote:This has got a Trump bungle all over it with Britain playing along.

what is a trump bungle?

an obama zippy?

a may george?

Despite everything I think there’s a good chance Putin will win this. What odds can I get?



Seriously though, what a joke. Why even bother having the election?

Same as here - it gives the hoi polloi the illusion that they make any difference at all.

Are Russian elections like African ones? Where is Endo? We need him now more than ever. "Vote Early, Vote often". I love old Vlad ... he's like a James Bond villian. Say what you want about Mr. Vladimirov, he's a working-class bloke made good. Ok, so the two Chechen wars weren't exactly a highlight in his career, and this whole nerve-agent thing is a bit dodgy. But come on ... he seems like a laugh.

Can't disagree with any of Hillman's points.

No competition anyway. If there was, he'd eliminate it.

A wonderful leader, who joined Syria to fight ISIS. What a hero.

Putin. Berlusconi. Trump. Possibly Boris. hahaha. What a fucking world we live in. I hate to say it, but I think we've fucked-ourselves somewhere.