Alfie Evans

[Royal24s]

So they can look after him and give him the best end of life service.

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But they say he's entirely unaware of anything , so what do they mean by that.
A German specialist , who also drew comparisons with the Nazis actually, gave expert evidence that the child couldn't be adversely effected by being moved or air travel, and that the Italian hospital could provide equal or better palliative care.

If I could see one good reason for removing the child's freedom to leave at the discretion of his family it might be different, but if there IS no reason they can explain, there must be another reason which they don't want to talk about, mustn't there ?

Are they scared that the child might recover and show them up as having decided to withdraw treatment for budgetary or other reasons ? Is it just the case that they want to enforce their authority as minor state officials first and doctors second ?

- I don't know of course , but as I said, I'm not hearing logic or common sense from them, and so I must suspect that there's something they're not admitting to here. It's a bloody serious step to over rule parents on the life and custody of their child who is so gravely ill, so I'd need some sensible reason before I could accept it

[Carlos J]

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/95164 ... y-hospital

Royals. I have read that article a few times. The headline states:

Alfie Evans update: Hospital staff warned to ‘HIDE uniform’ outside work amid abuse fears

Nowhere in the article can I see that mentioned.

Indeed, most NHS trusts do not allow workers bar those in the community to wear uniforms outside of the workplace. And at least it should be covered well. If you see some cunt in uniform in Tesco and see their badge and name, then, yeah, grass them up.

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[...]Also, wasnt the last time this type of thing happened, the doctors wouldnt release the kid from their care, cant remember if it was the same kid or not, but it was this januaryish, was because basically the treatment they wanted to send him on was fucking retarded, it was some holistic place in america and it probably would have done more harm than good.[...]

Indeed, Landlord. 'Charlie's Army' then, about Charlie Gard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gard_case

Another group of fuckwits latching on a cause who thought they knew better and mostly by their actions, showed no care for Charlie and his parents or medical staff. Look at this, looks familiar?: http://www.theweek.co.uk/85153/charlies ... arlie-gard

Doctors say they have always done their best for the child, but many protesters feel intense distrust – and even hatred – towards Great Ormond Street and its staff.
"The doctors are lying," one told The Independent. Another said: "They are murderers, aren't they?"

Of course there are exceptions as Royals notes though not usually a degenerative neurological condition in such a young child.

Ashya King was the famous cancer case of 2014, good on him doing well but cancer is stoppable: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... -hospital/

The thing IMO that gets these cases, not King's, as did have hope, is meeja attention. Not going all carc, but he does talk sense sometimes. Gard and Evans are almost replicates. There is in the tabloids a love/hate with class, bad NHS/good NHS and almost most importantly now, the obsession with social meeja. And they are bamboozled.

Trust the NHS, we love the NHS but Docs playing God. Parental finds on the internet and support from outside dodgy influences thinking they know better on social meeja cussing all sorts disagreeing and thinking they are God. Then, protesting and fucking off decent NHS users is a cunts trick.

Let's film the last moments. Fine for a personal thing, not fine to post on social meeja. Same as will be in both Gard and Evans.

More for Evans is the class and meeja. Scouse, check one, a gobshite dad, check two, and err some trouble, check three. Those fucking scousers again. The Sun are loving it. A win win for them.

[Carlos J]

Anyway my point is the Alder Hey should hand over Alfies case to the Italians and let them deal with it. My concern is Alder hey could be caring for kids with even a slight chance of improving their condition yet they are bogged down with the media, feral protesters, broken Britain Britain parents, lawyers, government officials etc regarding a completely lost cause. Just think of how many kids are being neglected?

The Italians are welcomed to this media circus

A good point, Bobby, but it would probably be their blame later. Thankfully, our courts have acted responsibly to the only important person in this case, the boy.

No one is winning, no one can win. Just let him go to wherever.

[Carlos J]

[...]- I don't know of course , but as I said, I'm not hearing logic or common sense from them, and so I must suspect that there's something they're not admitting to here. It's a bloody serious step to over rule parents on the life and custody of their child who is so gravely ill, so I'd need some sensible reason before I could accept it

No it is not. Because there is one person important here, the child. His welfare and his care. What the parents say, want or have found on the internet means fuck all rightly. Bothering God closer to the Vatican ain't going to get Alfie better. Gobsmacked when saw the snaps of dad with the Pope, Cue, this is desperate. The McCann's went early, but hey.

[Royal24s]

[...]- I don't know of course , but as I said, I'm not hearing logic or common sense from them, and so I must suspect that there's something they're not admitting to here. It's a bloody serious step to over rule parents on the life and custody of their child who is so gravely ill, so I'd need some sensible reason before I could accept it

No it is not. Because there is one person important here, the child. His welfare and his care. What the parents say, want or have found on the internet means fuck all rightly. Bothering God closer to the Vatican ain't going to get Alfie better. Gobsmacked when saw the snaps of dad with the Pope, Cue, this is desperate. The McCann's went early, but hey.

This comment demonstrates how seriously the concepts of families and human compassion have been damaged in this evil society . No wonder we can so lightly reign down bombs on children in middle eastern countries if we don't empathise with the feelings of parents in a case like this one.
The poor child itself would be aware of very little at the best time given his age, and we are given to believe this is even more so by virtue of his condition. The parents are aware and will have to live with all this and it's conclusion for a very long time to come. It seems to me to be of prime importance to help them as much as possible and go along with their wishes unless there is a compelling reason not to.
I was brought up ,you see, in a now gone country called Britain where families and human compassion were very important indeed to us, so it is hard for me to grasp that our long held values have been so completely rejected, and that the State really is the parent of each and every one of its willingly enslaved people.
It is a very very cruel philosophy and way of life which has indeed been adopted by other countries in the past , always with horrible outcomes in the end.

[Eaststand]

Everyone would empathise with him if he wasn't behaving like a massive twat. Its not nice what's happened to him, but he's just taking out his grief on the doctors and nurses. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this, anyone with an ounce of sense can see because he's a chav retard, his cause has been hijacked by very sinister people, anyone with an ounce of sense understands the doctors know best, they have a duty to make sure he is as comfortable as possible during his death, which weirdly doesn't involve giving him back to fucking morons who have read something on the Internet. These are medically trained professionals. They're not involved in the situation, they have no emotional attachment to the case, so to think that someones plan with an emotional attachment for the kid is better than theirs, is absolutely ludicrous.

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[Hillman avenger]

Everyone would empathise with him if he wasn't behaving like a massive twat. Its not nice what's happened to him, but he's just taking out his grief on the doctors and nurses. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this, anyone with an ounce of sense can see because he's a chav retard, his cause has been hijacked by very sinister people, anyone with an ounce of sense understands the doctors know best, they have a duty to make sure he is as comfortable as possible during his death, which weirdly doesn't involve giving him back to fucking morons who have read something on the Internet. These are medically trained professionals. They're not involved in the situation, they have no emotional attachment to the case, so to think that someones plan with an emotional attachment for the kid is better than theirs, is absolutely ludicrous.

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I think you are unfair to Evans. He is actually quite coherent and logical. I believe he is being propelled by the mob and the Christian interest group, and I think he is beginning to realise he and his wife should draw a line and spend with Alfie what time he has left.

It's a disgrace that the hospital is coming in for this "nazi" label. It is discharging its obligations and cannot simply do whatever parents/friends/family tell them to do in respect of someone. Particularly if their view what is being demanded is to the detriment of the patient. The hospital has spent 18 months trying to cure him.

NOBODY is offering a cure for Alfie, and that includes the hospital in Italy.

[Eaststand]

All of what you stated as a disgrace is his fault. If he had had a bit of dignity, didn't think he was a better doctor than real doctors, none of this would have happened.

Typical chav attention seeking piece of shit. Other peoples kids die, and it's incredibly sad, they don't try and start riots.

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[Basualdo]

If we can leave the fucking cretinous antics of the "supporters" and, sadly, the parents, aside, there is a point that all these hollering gibbons and fuckwits outside the hospital and many of those criticising them are all missing.
I might very well be completely wrong here, but I thought that if it was only in the case of if the parental decision on treatment or withholding it was going to cause the child great harm (e.g. some retarded Jehova's Witness parents refusing transfusions) that doctors could step in and overrule the wishes of the parents. And that is as it should be.

This does not seem to be the case here.

The medical staff have decided that the child is effectively brain dead, and has no chance of recovery.
If he is brain dead - and they may very well be, in fact probably are, correct - then he can feel no pain and is a lost cause.
And lets for a minute imagine they are normal grieving parents with the natural soul destroying yearning to make their child better in any and all possible ways instead of what we have here. Why arent they allowed to transfer the poor kid to Italy, or wherever they want, if they have the transport, funding and facilities at the other end lined up?
Why is a judge getting involved?


If the kid is as good as dead, a 'vegetable' as has been bandied about, he is now no more than animatronic puppet of flesh and bone. Let the parents take him. The hospital has said they've done all they can. The very least it can do is free up a bed. I don't understand the medical staff's reluctance here.

Exactly what harm can it do?

[Hillman avenger]

I am not sure the hospital have refused to let him go home.

[Basualdo]

Then what exactly are they objecting to? Taking him to another medical facilty?

I agree it will probably not do a whit of good, but if they are willing to let him go home but not to another clinic or hospital then it tends to point towards professional umbrage. Not good.

[Ralph]

Then what exactly are they objecting to? Taking him to another medical facilty?

I agree it will probably not do a whit of good, but if they are willing to let him go home but not to another clinic or hospital then it tends to point towards professional umbrage. Not good.

If there’s a non quack clinic offering something different/better then fine. Flying him to Italy to get palliative care is just fucking bonkers, sorry.

[Royal24s]

If we can leave the fucking cretinous antics of the "supporters" and, sadly, the parents, aside, there is a point that all these hollering gibbons and fuckwits outside the hospital and many of those criticising them are all missing.
I might very well be completely wrong here, but I thought that if it was only in the case of if the parental decision on treatment or withholding it was going to cause the child great harm (e.g. some retarded Jehova's Witness parents refusing transfusions) that doctors could step in and overrule the wishes of the parents. And that is as it should be.

This does not seem to be the case here.

The medical staff have decided that the child is effectively brain dead, and has no chance of recovery.
If he is brain dead - and they may very well be, in fact probably are, correct - then he can feel no pain and is a lost cause.
And lets for a minute imagine they are normal grieving parents with the natural soul destroying yearning to make their child better in any and all possible ways instead of what we have here. Why arent they allowed to transfer the poor kid to Italy, or wherever they want, if they have the transport, funding and facilities at the other end lined up?
Why is a judge getting involved?


If the kid is as good as dead, a 'vegetable' as has been bandied about, he is now no more than animatronic puppet of flesh and bone. Let the parents take him. The hospital has said they've done all they can. The very least it can do is free up a bed. I don't understand the medical staff's reluctance here.

Exactly what harm can it do?

Very glad someone here can see that.

[Royal24s]

Everyone would empathise with him if he wasn't behaving like a massive twat. Its not nice what's happened to him, but he's just taking out his grief on the doctors and nurses. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this, anyone with an ounce of sense can see because he's a chav retard, his cause has been hijacked by very sinister people, anyone with an ounce of sense understands the doctors know best, they have a duty to make sure he is as comfortable as possible during his death, which weirdly doesn't involve giving him back to fucking morons who have read something on the Internet. These are medically trained professionals. They're not involved in the situation, they have no emotional attachment to the case, so to think that someones plan with an emotional attachment for the kid is better than theirs, is absolutely ludicrous.

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Easty, I've been hit and spat on when telling someone their relative is dead or told them that their relatives murderer has been acquitted or released early.
I've seen people do things in their grief that they wouldn't normally do and would usually get them nicked. I've also seen them slash their wrists or just kneel down and cry or howl , and these are often not "chavs" as you put it.
You know , if we're grown men we can put up with a lot in these circumstances. My heart just goes out to this poor little bastard whose trying to face the unthinkable and I don't give a shit if he forgets his table manners - nor should anyone else .
Maybe he never had any manners in the first place, but that's also unimportant considering that he's a human being facing one of the most awful ordeal anyone could imagine.
It used to be that those called upon to deal with people in times of trouble and grief put that right at the top of the list of priorities. I hope and I think I always did that, so I can't have any respect for those in the health service who are more concerned with their own sensibilities and getting their own way than they are for the human beings living through it.

[Eaststand]

If you take your grief out on others, you're a twat. Its that simple.