Knife crime

[Zambo]

Define 'problem for the teachers' Do you mean things like beating the shit out of them, or forgetting to do their homework? Give me a list of why kids are excluded from schools, other than behavioural issues.

[Vespa]

The Mayor is now blaming the exclusion of pupils from schools, for them getting sucked into knife crime.

Well for a start, you usually have to have done something pretty bad to be excluded, like assault, damage, or persistent threatening behaviour. So what is he saying, the schools should suck that up. Despite it being a good idea to try and hit this at source, why should headmasters risk taking the stabbings off the street and into schools. If they want to hit this at an early stage, then get into their homes and involve the parents to try and help with mental issues, special educational needs, disadvantaged families etc.

Don't just say stop excluding kids, it just shifts the problem and doesn't address it.

The Scottish model shows them how to deal with this, no one wants to pay for it.

[Zambo]

The Mayor is now blaming the exclusion of pupils from schools, for them getting sucked into knife crime.

Well for a start, you usually have to have done something pretty bad to be excluded, like assault, damage, or persistent threatening behaviour. So what is he saying, the schools should suck that up. Despite it being a good idea to try and hit this at source, why should headmasters risk taking the stabbings off the street and into schools. If they want to hit this at an early stage, then get into their homes and involve the parents to try and help with mental issues, special educational needs, disadvantaged families etc.

Don't just say stop excluding kids, it just shifts the problem and doesn't address it.

The Scottish model shows them how to deal with this, no one wants to pay for it.

I think that what prevents the public from saying they are willing to contribute in a lot of cases, is 9 times out of 10 they know any money given will be wasted. I would have no objections for example, having my tax increased to fund the NHS, but with current wastage for example, no way.

[Vespa]

The Mayor is now blaming the exclusion of pupils from schools, for them getting sucked into knife crime.

Well for a start, you usually have to have done something pretty bad to be excluded, like assault, damage, or persistent threatening behaviour. So what is he saying, the schools should suck that up. Despite it being a good idea to try and hit this at source, why should headmasters risk taking the stabbings off the street and into schools. If they want to hit this at an early stage, then get into their homes and involve the parents to try and help with mental issues, special educational needs, disadvantaged families etc.

Don't just say stop excluding kids, it just shifts the problem and doesn't address it.

The Scottish model shows them how to deal with this, no one wants to pay for it.

I think that what prevents the public from saying they are willing to contribute in a lot of cases, is 9 times out of 10 they know any money given will be wasted. I would have no objections for example, having my tax increased to fund the NHS, but with current wastage for example, no way.

But then they play this stupid game of banning stuff, passing laws that eventually get struck down (giving teenagers two-year curfew orders for example) and blaming each other.

Strathclyde police's violence reduction unit did what it said on the tin. They reduced knife crime by engaging with kids, making gang leaders lives a misery and working with social services to address the underpinning issues.

We have a solution to this problem, they just won't pay for it.

http://actiononviolence.org/about-us
https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... ife-crime/

We now have a system so broken they are issuing prisoners tents on release because they can't find them a bed.

[AlcoholBrazil]

We have the highest rate of incarceration in Europe. Yet we have these problems. Is it irresponsible to propose that locking up more people for longer, just might not help?

Then maybe it is the wrong type of incarceration.

[Vespa]

Give me a list of why kids are excluded from schools, other than behavioural issues.

Schools exclude children for academic performance issues and wrapped it in a blanket of behavioural issues - truancy being a common reason - they are paid on exam performance, any excuse to exit a child who is falling below the bar is taken.

There is almost no funding for children with behavioural issues so the parents are left trying to find a school that will taken the child, most don't want to.

It is a self-selecting model to create an underclass. Society goes along with it because they've been trained to think problem kids are worthless.

We'll spend over £2bn on building aircraft carriers - rather than building an education safety net.

[AlcoholBrazil]

There should be occupational academies built for children who are below-par in written skills. Young people not academically gifted
may have aptitude for practical skills . Welding , Sewage work ,canal dredging, road works for 12 year olds could be a winner.
Nigeria and India just put them into cubicles and put them on phone stations as scammers of Western countries.

[Hillman avenger]

Give me a list of why kids are excluded from schools, other than behavioural issues.

Schools exclude children for academic performance issues and wrapped it in a blanket of behavioural issues - truancy being a common reason - they are paid on exam performance, any excuse to exit a child who is falling below the bar is taken.

There is almost no funding for children with behavioural issues so the parents are left trying to find a school that will taken the child, most don't want to.

It is a self-selecting model to create an underclass. Society goes along with it because they've been trained to think problem kids are worthless.

We'll spend over £2bn on building aircraft carriers - rather than building an education safety net.

Have a look at my "waste of time" thread

[Royal24s]

Yes well you see, military equipment will be more important than an education safety net if we find ourselves at war, and that's why aircraft carriers get a higher priority.

Do you think we should have taken an education safety net and entrapped the German invasion force in France by throwing it over them ?

[Vespa]

Yes well you see, military equipment will be more important than an education safety net if we find ourselves at war, and that's why aircraft carriers get a higher priority.

Do you think we should have taken an education safety net and entrapped the German invasion force in France by throwing it over them ?

Great point - also explains why the Vikings took over large swaths of northern Britain.

[Royal24s]

Well of course they were my ancestors , so you'd expect them to succeed wouldn't you ?

[Royal24s]

Mind you, there's a serious point underlying that banter actually. I expect they'd have dealt with "knife crime" very quickly for the reason that they'd have acted directly rather than having 200 meetings and trying to understand the problems of the people doing it.

[Royal24s]

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[Zambo]

Mind you, there's a serious point underlying that banter actually. I expect they'd have dealt with "knife crime" very quickly for the reason that they'd have acted directly rather than having 200 meetings and trying to understand the problems of the people doing it.

Absolutely, Ragnar never used to ponce about at meetings. Floki get the boats ready, Rollo get the men together, Lagertha, packed lunches, then lets do it.

[carcinogen]

Why not just ban all knives? Just learn to chop everything with a fork? The Chinese and Japanese don't use knives, they use chopsticks. Don't see many people there people killed by chopsticks.