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theleader82 wrote:Knife crime seems to be more prevalent in ethnically diverse areas . I’m not sure why that is . Young men pretending to be gangstas. Lol

Any evidence of this? Seems that more white, middle white children are getting involved in this, hence the government sitting up and taking notice.

Why have you put 'lol' at the end of your post? Do you think it's a source of great amusement that the ethnics get stabbed?

Gavin Williamson seems to have spent too much time playing Call of Duty.

The Army is standing by to help combat knife crime.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8570065/k ... -military/

Anyone suspected of carrying a knife should be shot on sight.

m4rkb wrote:Anyone suspected of carrying a knife should be shot on sight.

What happens then if they pull out a lollipop.

On a serious note though, it's time to step it up. Whilst there is an obvious risk involved, anyone patrolling the streets should be tooled imo. Police and the public deserve protection and at the moment neither have any. What have the police got at the moment, a stick and a pepper spray. Absolutely ridiculous bearing in mind what they face. I posted a link above which reported that someone with previous got a suspended. It has to stop. However when you have that twat who reads the weather forecast on ITV, spouting that prison doesn't work and all of the other bleeders saying sentences are already too long, it makes it difficult. The only reason prison doesn't work is because sentences aren't long enough, prison life is too cushy, and they can take drugs when they feel like it. You need a deterrent and if it's not prison maybe someone would like to tell me what might work.

As agreed upon before, the justice system has been overtaken by people claiming prison doesn't work so are reluctant to resort to it. The same people who turned it into a soft touch in the first place which gives a more comfortable life inside than many face outside.

At no point have we truly tested really harsh sentences in places no one wants to return to.

This is out of control now and the softly softly approach is no good. For every person putting a knife down, five more are picking one up.

The ones proactively intent on using one I hope are on the receiving end but I can take the point to a very limited degree that some carry one for protection.

It's interesting though that WMP are using section 60 to stop and search without reasonable grounds. The laws are out there but we keep claiming we need new , or different ones.

The Daily Mail policy forum is out in force.

Vespa wrote:The Daily Mail policy forum is out in force.

Followed quickly by the morning star

paolo wrote:

Vespa wrote:The Daily Mail policy forum is out in force.

Followed quickly by the morning star

The crossword is good.

Vespa wrote:

paolo wrote:

Vespa wrote:The Daily Mail policy forum is out in force.

Followed quickly by the morning star

The crossword is good.

i'm still stuck on wordsearch

Last month, Corbyn’s Labour Party voted against several measures that would have helped to combat the rising knife crime crisis.

In the Lords, Labour voted against the introduction of Knife Crime Prevention Orders, which are designed to place curbs on those who routinely carry knives, and prevent gang escalation.

In the Commons, they voted against an extra £970 million being made available to the police. Not a single Labour MP voted in favour…

Steve Hunt wrote:Last month, Corbyn’s Labour Party voted against several measures that would have helped to combat the rising knife crime crisis.

In the Lords, Labour voted against the introduction of Knife Crime Prevention Orders, which are designed to place curbs on those who routinely carry knives, and prevent gang escalation.

In the Commons, they voted against an extra £970 million being made available to the police. Not a single Labour MP voted in favour…

But let's not forget Steve, that the job of the opposition is to vote against anything proposed by the Government, regardless of how much commonsense is attached to it.

Steve Hunt wrote: In the Lords, Labour voted against the introduction of Knife Crime Prevention Orders, which are designed to place curbs on those who routinely carry knives, and prevent gang escalation.

They voted against them because they are a scam. They are curfew orders on 12-year-olds, if the 12 year old decides to pop out to his mates' house and breach the order the plenty is up to two years in jail.

For breaching an order based on never having to attend court or be convicted of a crime.

The orders last up to two years and require no conviction.

Even the Police Federation think they are worthless.

Successive governments have gutted funding for children's services that tackled the underpinning reason why kids commit crime. Javid isn't bothered about reinstating that funding, whilst lauding the VRU in Scotland that has brought down violent crime to the point they have the lowest knife deaths in the UK.


The orders are cheap and make great Daily Mail fodder, VRUs are expensive but work.

Javid picked the cheap one with good press.

The Mayor is now blaming the exclusion of pupils from schools, for them getting sucked into knife crime.

Well for a start, you usually have to have done something pretty bad to be excluded, like assault, damage, or persistent threatening behaviour. So what is he saying, the schools should suck that up. Despite it being a good idea to try and hit this at source, why should headmasters risk taking the stabbings off the street and into schools. If they want to hit this at an early stage, then get into their homes and involve the parents to try and help with mental issues, special educational needs, disadvantaged families etc.

Don't just say stop excluding kids, it just shifts the problem and doesn't address it.

Hard Labour. jail that is hundreds of miles from their homes.
Fletcher was sent to Slade , 400 miles up the road from his London manna , and made to clean out the pig pens.
He went straight after he come out. Sorted. Anyone smuggling contraband, including drones gets a spell in clink, and not the same
one as their mates. Issue warders with tasers. Bent warders get clink. No tellies , laptops, phones or internet.
A good book by Dickens or a National Trust 1000 piece jigsaw of some cows in a meadow is just the thing for them.

Zambo wrote:The Mayor is now blaming the exclusion of pupils from schools, for them getting sucked into knife crime.

Well for a start, you usually have to have done something pretty bad to be excluded, like assault, damage, or persistent threatening behaviour.
No you don't, actually. Exclusions are at record levels. You only have to be a problem for the teachers. It's at record levels for two reasons: shortage of teachers and a school assessment system which encourages the exclusion of kids who won't do well in exams. There are definitely more kids out there with nothing to do, and fewer police and social workers to deal with them. I realise people here don't want to know this is a complex problem, and simply want more locking up, but it IS a complex problem.
So what is he saying, the schools should suck that up. Despite it being a good idea to try and hit this at source, why should headmasters risk taking the stabbings off the street and into schools. If they want to hit this at an early stage, then get into their homes and involve the parents to try and help with mental issues, special educational needs, disadvantaged families etc.

Don't just say stop excluding kids, it just shifts the problem and doesn't address it.

We have the highest rate of incarceration in Europe. Yet we have these problems. Is it irresponsible to propose that locking up more people for longer, just might not help?