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Ralph wrote: What does anyone need an assault rifle for ffs.


To assault things, the clue is in the name.

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theleader82 wrote:She’s taking away New Zealander’s freedoms because of the act of one Australian. Also she doesn’t need to wear a headscarf while speaking to Muslims . They don’t bother accepting western standards of dress

That seems a reasonable trade. Seriously, who is going to claim he is deprived because he can't buy an assault rifle? Why would he need one? Why was he able to in the first place?
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On our US trip last year we were in a Walmart where semi automatic rifles were on sale.
The same store had a sign up near the confectionery area advising customers that Walmart might not be prepared to sell high sugar or high additive sweets to children unless an adult was with them.
Later, in Southern Carolina, we were chatting to a man who turned out to be the recently-retired Chief of Police in a small town. On the road in there were billboards advertising courses you could take which could certify you to carry a concealed weapon. I asked him why- if carrying a gun was supposed to deter others from attacking you- you would conceal it. He couldn't tell me.
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I did enjoy how some Americans were honestly trying to argue that if the 1500 people in the crowd of the Bataclan had been armed then the killer would have been taken down quickly, rather than it all being even more chaotic and fatal.

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Hillman avenger wrote: Later, in Southern Carolina, we were chatting to a man who turned out to be the recently-retired Chief of Police in a small town. On the road in there were billboards advertising courses you could take which could certify you to carry a concealed weapon. I asked him why- if carrying a gun was supposed to deter others from attacking you- you would conceal it. He couldn't tell me.


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Hillman avenger wrote:
Zambo wrote:
Hillman avenger wrote:Leader 82 will be most upset.
New Zealand is to ban the sale of assault rifles.
Clearly a serious limitation of freedom.

It's very sad that it always takes a tragedy like this before action is taken.

Except in the US , where the argument will be produced that if all the people in the mosque had also had guns, they could have taken him out. Overlooking the implication that he would have had to kill a few before they realised what was happening. It's like they have a logic circuit plugged in the wrong way around.

The problem is, that particularly whilst guns are freely available, citizens have the right to protection, and when someone breaks into your home, a toilet brush or a broom isn't really going to offer much, if someone breaks in tooled up. I guess you could say hand over what they want, but you have no idea if that's enough. Moreover, with the pathetic sentences handed out, and the under resourced police force, how do we deter criminals.
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Hillman avenger wrote:
theleader82 wrote:She’s taking away New Zealander’s freedoms because of the act of one Australian. Also she doesn’t need to wear a headscarf while speaking to Muslims . They don’t bother accepting western standards of dress

That seems a reasonable trade. Seriously, who is going to claim he is deprived because he can't buy an assault rifle? Why would he need one? Why was he able to in the first place?


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Mexico only has 1 gun shop in the entire country.

That's neither a pro nor anti gun statement. It's just utterly mental given the death rate in that country.
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Don't know if you have spent time in Mexico but I reckon if they had more gun shops the suicide rate would rise.
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White terrorist kills some folks in a USA shooting: Trump has blood on his hands, white america must apologise for the shooter, if you don't, you're a fucking nazi like the rest of them


One asshole muslim doesn't mean we condemn a whole fucking people.
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Hillman avenger wrote:
theleader82 wrote:She’s taking away New Zealander’s freedoms because of the act of one Australian. Also she doesn’t need to wear a headscarf while speaking to Muslims . They don’t bother accepting western standards of dress

That seems a reasonable trade. Seriously, who is going to claim he is deprived because he can't buy an assault rifle? Why would he need one? Why was he able to in the first place?



Lot of people in the practical world use rifles . Most do no harm with them and until they do they might feel it's their decision to own one or otherwise.
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paolo wrote:White terrorist kills some folks in a USA shooting: Trump has blood on his hands, white america must apologise for the shooter, if you don't, you're a fucking nazi like the rest of them


One asshole muslim doesn't mean we condemn a whole fucking people.

Who said they were?
Which "asshole muslim" are we talking about?
As for Trump, and not only Trump, the perverted logic that says the best way to deal with morons with guns is to have MORE morons with guns, is a stain on a great and civilised country. And the NRA knows exactly how to play the money and the playing with the Second Amendment to keep it that way.
It is a childish notion of freedom to think it means "I can carry a gun. Never learned how to use one, but how hard can it be?" which means that the rest of us have LOST freedom having to live with the fear that you will use it.
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You haven't got to go to the United States, and so you haven't lost any freedoms.
If you want to go there, respect their laws and elections

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Hillman avenger wrote:
paolo wrote:White terrorist kills some folks in a USA shooting: Trump has blood on his hands, white america must apologise for the shooter, if you don't, you're a fucking nazi like the rest of them


One asshole muslim doesn't mean we condemn a whole fucking people.

Who said they were?
Which "asshole muslim" are we talking about?
As for Trump, and not only Trump, the perverted logic that says the best way to deal with morons with guns is to have MORE morons with guns, is a stain on a great and civilised country. And the NRA knows exactly how to play the money and the playing with the Second Amendment to keep it that way.
It is a childish notion of freedom to think it means "I can carry a gun. Never learned how to use one, but how hard can it be?" which means that the rest of us have LOST freedom having to live with the fear that you will use it.


Gun control at a Federal level is very difficult, which is why it never changes.

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