Notre Dame

[Ralph]

It is more than a building but going forward the restoration should not just attempt to recreate the past but it should reflect the spirit of France as it exists today.

I'm not convinced they should do that:

Fair point Steve...I guess if I excluded people wearing yellow the racists/Brextremists (delete as applicable) would have a field day!

They'd all be wearing their Alex Jones/Glenn Beck t shirts...the right wing version of bleeding hearts. Their world is one where everything is a conspiracy.

Apologies for the long sentences Royal24..it must really tax your imagination and patience...

Keep banging the rocks together boys, some of you will see the light.

They desperately want it to be Muslims that’s what I don’t understand. If it turns out to be an electrical fault or a builder dropping his blow lamp, they’ll be disappointed. Weird.

[paolo]

"Jean-Marc Fournier is a French priest who helped the wounded in the Bataclan terror attack on Paris.

"He survived an ambush in Afghanistan.

"He also emerged as a hero of the Notre Dame fire.

"Jean-Marc Fournier, chaplain of the Paris Fire Brigade, rushed straight for the relics housed in the cathedral to rescue the the Blessed Sacrament and the Crown of Thorns relics from the blazing building on Monday night...

"Four years ago he also comforted the wounded after the worst terrorist attack on Paris this century when 89 people were massacred at the Eagles of Death Metal concert in 2015."

[Ralph]

Case closed then Ralph.
If someone who had nothing to do with it posted something on Facebook or whatever it is about someone else who had nothing to do with it that shows that the fire was accidental.

It doesn’t say anything about the fire other than people are using it for propaganda purposes before anyone knows why it started.

[Steve Hunt]

It is more than a building but going forward the restoration should not just attempt to recreate the past but it should reflect the spirit of France as it exists today.

I'm not convinced they should do that:

Fair point Steve...I guess if I excluded people wearing yellow the racists/Brextremists (delete as applicable) would have a field day!

They'd all be wearing their Alex Jones/Glenn Beck t shirts...the right wing version of bleeding hearts. Their world is one where everything is a conspiracy.

Apologies for the long sentences Royal24..it must really tax your imagination and patience...

Keep banging the rocks together boys, some of you will see the light.

They desperately want it to be Muslims that’s what I don’t understand. If it turns out to be an electrical fault or a builder dropping his blow lamp, they’ll be disappointed. Weird.

As I said a few days ago, it is pointless to speculate at the moment, Ralph.

But as someone who works in the construction industry, these incidents can and do happen when an old building is undergoing refurbishment. They are not uncommon.

My money would be on it being a tragic result of the refurbishment it was undergoing.

[Jon Gout]

Again, no ones suggested anything remotely like that have they ?
Normal people have expressed perfectly normal curiosity about a major incident and a small group of mentally conditioned political wierdos have jumped in to insist upon the innocence of a particular group who haven't been accused of anything.

It would be illogical to blame Moslems without any evidence, but equally illogical to disregard them or any other group simply because they are part of that group.
Apart from anything else it's very patronising - as if you think they need your protection and advocacy.

1. Yes, it has even been suggested in this thread several times.
2. It's like a well-known person being found dead in London of an unknown cause and people saying, before the autopsy has even happened and before any investigation has taken place, "Well, young black men are responsible for a lot of stabbings in London lately." You don't even know if the well-known person has been stabbed, they might have even had a heart attack and nobody else could have been involved for all you know. Bringing up a group of people is making an accusation.
3. Nobody has said they should be disregarded simply because they are part of that group. They've only pointed out the inanity of speculating to fuel your own pre-existent hatred.

[Jon Gout]

They desperately want it to be Muslims that’s what I don’t understand. If it turns out to be an electrical fault or a builder dropping his blow lamp, they’ll be disappointed. Weird.

No only will they be disappointed, but they'll then think there's been a cover-up. To them, it'll be Muslims responsible whatever the actual cause is.

[paolo]

Who wants the fire starter to be muslims?

Why would someone want that?

[kancutlawns]

I'm not a religious type but Notre Dame was always a place I loved to visit in my favourite city. Mrs S, however, prefers Sacre Coeur.

Kancut, have you ever visited Saint Julien le Pauvre church in Paris? It's a lovely wee Greek Catholic church - I love it.

Hi Sheddy, been up to Sacre Coeur three times in the last ten years and it's a fine monument, very underrated and the painting on the dome inside is breathtaking. Went up the Eiffel Tower two years ago just as it was getting dark, the views over the city were jawdropping, managed to get brilliant photos, especially of Sacre Coeur on Monmatre, the gold structure was glistening from a distance away. Really amazing.

Haven't been to Saint Julien le Pauvre church though. Mrs L wasn't ever really a fan of Notre Dame, but I love the views of it all around the Cathedral. Saw it last Christmas around one in the morning, obviously wasn't open.

I like exploring religious buildings for whatever religion or denomination and the cultural history behind them. French cities obviously are steeped in religious history and cathedrals stand out whether in Reims, Auxerre or Strasbourg which I've been to over time, and the history behind them. Also been to the Grand Mosque which is pretty amazing too.

[paolo]

16 historic statues removed just four days before the fire....

[Jon Gout]

Yes, historic statues are normally kept on site during extensive renovation work.

Get a grip

Wonder why the majority of artefacts and relics, which were either rushed out once the fire started or have been lost to the fire, were left in there.

[Hillman avenger]

What's the betting they can't identify a culprit.
At a guess, because there wasn't one?

Those frogs will be hopping mad if they ever found out it was a religiously motivated arson (terrorist) attack of a national and world icon of civilisation.

Fires in renovation sites are quite common.

[Gregory Follis]

All this speculation is silly before the investigation, but I reckon it has to be at the order of The Remainer activists to get back at Macron, who wants us out of the EU. Charlie de G didn't want us in, and no French person has since the famous 1963 Non.

[Royal24s]

All this speculation is silly before the investigation, but I reckon it has to be at the order of The Remainer activists to get back at Macron, who wants us out of the EU. Charlie de G didn't want us in, and no French person has since the famous 1963 Non.

Well , without prejudging it, ( because it could just be a fire ), I'd be given to wonder whether it was aimed at French Nationslism , Christianity and European culture by someone more substantial and dangerous than terrorists.
The Cathedral is symbolic of the long association and commonalities between England and France and of the Resistance movement during WW2, both of which are a red flag to Germany, the EU and the wider globalist movement.

[Jon Gout]

"Without prejudging it" followed by prejudging it. Genius.

[subsub]

"Without prejudging it" followed by prejudging it. Genius.