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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby paolo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:42 pm

AlcoholBrazil wrote:No Nobel Peace prize for little Greta. It would be racist to deny it to the Ethiopian geezer .

Thought Trump was in for a shout after his withdrawl this week .


tbf, it was given to a kenyan for doing absolutely nothing (before he killed hundreds of thousands and everything else he did)
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby Vespa » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:07 pm

Scrolling up on this thread is comical.

Toilets - they bring their own.
Personal hygiene - perfectly fine.
Police not doing anything - they threaten to arrest everyone who won't move on and have an order across London that allows them to do it.
How did they get there - by train mostly.

If you're in London go to the Square and have a look, a nicer bunch of people you'll not find.

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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby Basualdo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:08 pm

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AlcoholBrazil wrote:No Nobel Peace prize for little Greta. It would be racist to deny it to the Ethiopian geezer .

Thought Trump was in for a shout after his withdrawl this week .


tbf, it was given to a kenyan for doing absolutely nothing (before he killed hundreds of thousands and everything else he did)

So a good year for it then.
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

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Basualdo wrote:
paolo wrote:
AlcoholBrazil wrote:No Nobel Peace prize for little Greta. It would be racist to deny it to the Ethiopian geezer .

Thought Trump was in for a shout after his withdrawl this week .


tbf, it was given to a kenyan for doing absolutely nothing (before he killed hundreds of thousands and everything else he did)

So a good year for it then.


This was back in 08 I believe

I got the news from RT
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby Basualdo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 pm

paolo wrote:
Basualdo wrote:
paolo wrote:
AlcoholBrazil wrote:No Nobel Peace prize for little Greta. It would be racist to deny it to the Ethiopian geezer .

Thought Trump was in for a shout after his withdrawl this week .


tbf, it was given to a kenyan for doing absolutely nothing (before he killed hundreds of thousands and everything else he did)

So a good year for it then.


This was back in 08 I believe

I got the news from RT


Oh that Kenyan.

Who got it this year then?
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby paolo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:52 pm

Basualdo wrote:
paolo wrote:
Basualdo wrote:
paolo wrote:
AlcoholBrazil wrote:No Nobel Peace prize for little Greta. It would be racist to deny it to the Ethiopian geezer .

Thought Trump was in for a shout after his withdrawl this week .


tbf, it was given to a kenyan for doing absolutely nothing (before he killed hundreds of thousands and everything else he did)

So a good year for it then.


This was back in 08 I believe

I got the news from RT


Oh that Kenyan.

Who got it this year then?


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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby Shedboy » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:18 am

Was Kip Keino not in the running?

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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby Roy Twing » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:22 pm

A snippet from an excellent article in Hitchen's column today, which I must must say in all modesty, is a rather better-written version of my main point regarding the insanity of the climate change protesters, and like Hitchens, - I would ask again if someone could explain the logic of destroying our economy whilst the 'developing' world thrives?:

"We recently closed and demolished Didcot ‘A’ coal-fired power station, an efficient, reasonably modern plant with a generating capacity of about 1.44 gigawatts. Why? Why not at least mothball it? But no such caution is allowed in the great cause of cutting CO2 emissions.

Look at the facts: an enormous 259 gigawatts (180 Didcots) of new coal-fired capacity are under development in China. That’s on top of the 993 gigawatts of coal-burning capacity China already possesses (690 Didcots).

The UK’s whole electrical generation capacity, in all forms of power, is 85 gigawatts (59 Didcots). If we gave up using electricity entirely, it would make no difference at all to the impact of Chinese coal burning on the atmosphere.

None. Not any. Zero. If we completely abolish all our fossil-fuel generation, including gas, it would likewise not matter in the slightest – except to us, our economy and our standard of living.

China’s planned increase, yes, increase, in coal power is three times the size of our whole electricity-generation industry – wind, nuclear gas, and all. India is also increasing coal generation and last March reached a coal capacity of 200 gigawatts (139 Didcots)."


The only 'argument' I've heard so far from the eco-warrior brigade, is a rather meek "well we have to start somewhere", or the similar but more patronising "we need to lead by example".
Despite what the establishment try to propagate, - we brexiters most definitely do know what we voted for
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby AlcoholBrazil » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:18 pm

Roy Twing wrote:The only 'argument' I've heard so far from the eco-warrior brigade, is a rather meek "well we have to start somewhere", or the similar but more patronising "we need to lead by example".



The same weak argument for staying in the EU is so we can change it from within, despite being ignored for 40 years.
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby Roy Twing » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:38 pm

Good point
Despite what the establishment try to propagate, - we brexiters most definitely do know what we voted for
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby beingsoblase » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:37 am

Follow the money.
Saw some interesting stuff about who's actually backing extinction rebellion this weekend.
Not exactly confirmed right now, so I'll leave it there.
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby subsub » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:50 am

Roy Twing wrote:A snippet from an excellent article in Hitchen's column today, which I must must say in all modesty, is a rather better-written version of my main point regarding the insanity of the climate change protesters, and like Hitchens, - I would ask again if someone could explain the logic of destroying our economy whilst the 'developing' world thrives?:

"We recently closed and demolished Didcot ‘A’ coal-fired power station, an efficient, reasonably modern plant with a generating capacity of about 1.44 gigawatts. Why? Why not at least mothball it? But no such caution is allowed in the great cause of cutting CO2 emissions.

Look at the facts: an enormous 259 gigawatts (180 Didcots) of new coal-fired capacity are under development in China. That’s on top of the 993 gigawatts of coal-burning capacity China already possesses (690 Didcots).

The UK’s whole electrical generation capacity, in all forms of power, is 85 gigawatts (59 Didcots). If we gave up using electricity entirely, it would make no difference at all to the impact of Chinese coal burning on the atmosphere.

None. Not any. Zero. If we completely abolish all our fossil-fuel generation, including gas, it would likewise not matter in the slightest – except to us, our economy and our standard of living.

China’s planned increase, yes, increase, in coal power is three times the size of our whole electricity-generation industry – wind, nuclear gas, and all. India is also increasing coal generation and last March reached a coal capacity of 200 gigawatts (139 Didcots)."


The only 'argument' I've heard so far from the eco-warrior brigade, is a rather meek "well we have to start somewhere", or the similar but more patronising "we need to lead by example".

Great logic.
Other people are fucking up the environment, so let's do the same.
Yeah, let's all leave litter lying around because someone else does it :rolleyes:
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby AlcoholBrazil » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:57 am

Fly-tipping and polluting bonfires has rocketed in our area, due to the Labour Council putting an extra charge on garden refuse, and charging to dispose of large items at the tip . Greedy councils are bad for the environment.
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby Roy Twing » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:07 am

subsub wrote:
Roy Twing wrote:A snippet from an excellent article in Hitchen's column today, which I must must say in all modesty, is a rather better-written version of my main point regarding the insanity of the climate change protesters, and like Hitchens, - I would ask again if someone could explain the logic of destroying our economy whilst the 'developing' world thrives?:

"We recently closed and demolished Didcot ‘A’ coal-fired power station, an efficient, reasonably modern plant with a generating capacity of about 1.44 gigawatts. Why? Why not at least mothball it? But no such caution is allowed in the great cause of cutting CO2 emissions.

Look at the facts: an enormous 259 gigawatts (180 Didcots) of new coal-fired capacity are under development in China. That’s on top of the 993 gigawatts of coal-burning capacity China already possesses (690 Didcots).

The UK’s whole electrical generation capacity, in all forms of power, is 85 gigawatts (59 Didcots). If we gave up using electricity entirely, it would make no difference at all to the impact of Chinese coal burning on the atmosphere.

None. Not any. Zero. If we completely abolish all our fossil-fuel generation, including gas, it would likewise not matter in the slightest – except to us, our economy and our standard of living.

China’s planned increase, yes, increase, in coal power is three times the size of our whole electricity-generation industry – wind, nuclear gas, and all. India is also increasing coal generation and last March reached a coal capacity of 200 gigawatts (139 Didcots)."


The only 'argument' I've heard so far from the eco-warrior brigade, is a rather meek "well we have to start somewhere", or the similar but more patronising "we need to lead by example".

Great logic.
Other people are fucking up the environment, so let's do the same.
Yeah, let's all leave litter lying around because someone else does it :rolleyes:


Read the article, take a deep breath, engage brain, and try again.
Despite what the establishment try to propagate, - we brexiters most definitely do know what we voted for
And for posterity, - could the usual suspects explain what exactly is 'racist' about my avatar?
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Re: Climate & Other Protesters Discussion

Postby subsub » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:01 am

Roy Twing wrote:
subsub wrote:
Roy Twing wrote:A snippet from an excellent article in Hitchen's column today, which I must must say in all modesty, is a rather better-written version of my main point regarding the insanity of the climate change protesters, and like Hitchens, - I would ask again if someone could explain the logic of destroying our economy whilst the 'developing' world thrives?:

"We recently closed and demolished Didcot ‘A’ coal-fired power station, an efficient, reasonably modern plant with a generating capacity of about 1.44 gigawatts. Why? Why not at least mothball it? But no such caution is allowed in the great cause of cutting CO2 emissions.

Look at the facts: an enormous 259 gigawatts (180 Didcots) of new coal-fired capacity are under development in China. That’s on top of the 993 gigawatts of coal-burning capacity China already possesses (690 Didcots).

The UK’s whole electrical generation capacity, in all forms of power, is 85 gigawatts (59 Didcots). If we gave up using electricity entirely, it would make no difference at all to the impact of Chinese coal burning on the atmosphere.

None. Not any. Zero. If we completely abolish all our fossil-fuel generation, including gas, it would likewise not matter in the slightest – except to us, our economy and our standard of living.

China’s planned increase, yes, increase, in coal power is three times the size of our whole electricity-generation industry – wind, nuclear gas, and all. India is also increasing coal generation and last March reached a coal capacity of 200 gigawatts (139 Didcots)."


The only 'argument' I've heard so far from the eco-warrior brigade, is a rather meek "well we have to start somewhere", or the similar but more patronising "we need to lead by example".

Great logic.
Other people are fucking up the environment, so let's do the same.
Yeah, let's all leave litter lying around because someone else does it :rolleyes:


Read the article, take a deep breath, engage brain, and try again.

- I've read the snippet you provided - that contains all the pertinent info, presumably? (unless you left out something more important)
- you didn't provide a link to the article (and I'm damned if I'm going to increase the Mail's online readership)
- My point makes sense. Hitchens is saying that it doesn't matter what we do in the UK given what bigger countries do. I say that that is flawed logic, and I gave you an example – just because other people throw litter out of their cars doesn't mean that I should do the same.
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