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Holden Mcgroyne wrote:Owen Jones and his crew telling us not to politicise the deaths.

If two people had been killed by a 'far right' terrorist do you think they would be demanding we not politicise it?

Or would he have tweeted constantly about far right hate, the rise of fascism and blamed the Tories ?

Advise Johnson should have taken before he tried to do exactly that on the Marr programme.
The shredding he received in return could have been predicted by any sensible political adviser.

Hillman avenger wrote:

Holden Mcgroyne wrote:Owen Jones and his crew telling us not to politicise the deaths.

If two people had been killed by a 'far right' terrorist do you think they would be demanding we not politicise it?

Or would he have tweeted constantly about far right hate, the rise of fascism and blamed the Tories ?

Advise Johnson should have taken before he tried to do exactly that on the Marr programme.
The shredding he received in return could have been predicted by any sensible political adviser.

He did it in his Downing Street statement, I don't give a fuck about what he says on Marr but when you make a statement about a terror attack for the government adding in lines about your manifesto pledge to put more police on the streets is crass.

The quality of advice he is getting is dreadful. Or else, like Trump, he is ignoring it.

Indefinite sentencing was introduced under LABOUR. 4 years later the European Court ruled they were not valid because zero was being done about rehabilitation. Under a TORY government.

Since then the wholly inadequate probation system Grayling and Gove produced have struggled to cope,

What a dumb thing to have done

It's hard not to politicise the deaths surrounding this for many reasons. We need more police and we need more prisons if not prison spaces which goes to the heart of political debate.

The logistics of tracking people out on licence , returning from IS, and people generally known to hold jihadist tendencies is huge anyway but to burden the security services by allowing people to roam free ,but monitored , isn't helping. In fact it's a recipe for disaster as they can 'go active' at any moment.

Then we have the ideology of those killed. People who seriously believe hardened violent criminals can always be reformed or see the good in everyone. But now they're dead so they might have liked a rethink on that one especially as they are not standard criminals but working from a twisted ideology.

Everything is politicised these days. Politicians don't think I should even tie my own boot laces without them getting involved.

Labour: Politicised Grenfell.
Also Labour: The Tories are politicising the London Bridge attack! Reeeeeee!!!!!

It appears Oddbod Khan was the poster boy for the rehabilitation campaign. He thanked them for getting him the laptop, the hard drive of which I presume the police are now examining.
It must have been a really successful course because in the packed hall where the knife spree took place the first two to cop it were those running it.

Their naivety must have tipped him over the edge.

lambrini wrote:Labour: Politicised Grenfell.
Also Labour: The Tories are politicising the London Bridge attack! Reeeeeee!!!!!

Grenfell happened due to Tory cuts and usual Tory pandering to corporations doing things on the cheap.

London Bridge attack happened due to the fact that in 9 years the Tories still haven't changed the law keeping Islamic bastards behind bars.

m4rkb wrote:It appears Oddbod Khan was the poster boy for the rehabilitation campaign. He thanked them for getting him the laptop, the hard drive of which I presume the police are now examining.
It must have been a really successful course because in the packed hall where the knife spree took place the first two to cop it were those running it.

Their naivety must have tipped him over the edge.

No. I think you'll find that the root cause is a lack of youth clubs. That is the concensus of the State Media experts when it comes to certain areas of South London with a high murder rate, having been unable to spot any other common factors locally .
Had this poor boy been able to pop in to a youth club for a quick game of table tennis every day this would probably never have happened .

Another example of why the liberal left, including defence barristers, judges and a good many in the criminal justice system, are an enormous danger to the lives and wellbeing of the British public. Yet despite the examples of failure, still they follow the same deluded path, and fuck the victims.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-50676721

Zambo wrote:Another example of why the liberal left, including defence barristers, judges and a good many in the criminal justice system, are an enormous danger to the lives and wellbeing of the British public. Yet despite the examples of failure, still they follow the same deluded path, and fuck the victims.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... s-50676721

Here's an article from the ever-sickening guardian, calling for the retrospective scrapping of IPPs (the mechanism of which should have kept the likes of Khan off the streets) just a few weeks before the london bridge stabbings.
I look forward to the guardian apologists doing their stuff here:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/no ... ly-harmful

The trouble with IPPs was that they were being applied far too widely because once the boxes were ticked all sorts of people were locked into them ,and there were numerous examples of inappropriate use of the Orders

Royal24s wrote:The trouble with IPPs was that they were being applied far too widely because once the boxes were ticked all sorts of people were locked into them ,and there were numerous examples of inappropriate use of the Orders

It would appear, as usual, that a useful tool for law and order has been let down by being used/controlled by incompetents.

Yes. As usual now , we use check boxes and graphs as a substitute for intelligent thought or logic. Since dumbing down really took hold we no longer have people who can make effective decisions about anything and so we fall back on filling out forms and relying on the score yielded to say yes or no.

People who read the Guardian have never met a criminal in their entire life to understand the mindset yet they seem to hold all the power and opinion about how to deal with them.

This is why we are in the mess we are over crime and punishment.