Zambo, you are the ref.

[Zambo]

It's been too long coming Pet. Referees at any level, let alone at the top shouldn't have to be reminded that they have to enforce basic laws of the game. If we see conistency this offence, which has been blighting the game for several seasons will disappear.

[veritas vincit]

I can't believe that those two were the only two offenders today.
How many other penalties have been given; anybody know?

[Petingo]

I can't believe that those two were the only two offenders today.
How many other penalties have been given; anybody know?

I am sure they will discuss the issue on MOTD and make comparisons with other games.

I could be wrong but I don't think there were any pennos awarded at all in the EPL afternoon kick offs.

[Zambo]

In less tha 1 min 30 secs of the Leicester v Arsenal game we had a situation not penalised. Clattenburg either missed or bottled it.

Ironically it was against one of the serial offenders Robert Huth.

Inconsistency will ruin this reminder to refs to clamp down.

[veritas vincit]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... er-8804361

Perhaps our resident referee could comment on this. I know my opinion, and it stinks.

[The Ghost of Alex Higgins]

I'd like to thank Mr Mike Dean...

[Carlos J]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... er-8804361

Perhaps our resident referee could comment on this. I know my opinion, and it stinks.

Merged into the black and white man in blacks thread for some tidying, veritas.

[Zambo]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... er-8804361

Perhaps our resident referee could comment on this. I know my opinion, and it stinks.

Nothing surprises me about the PGMOL these days, and until they get shot of Mike Riley, it will not change. Dean gets on my tits to be honest, with his arrogant approach to refereeing, but he seems to be the only ref following the directive, a directive which shouldn't have been necessary by the way, because the law is crystal clear about holding, pulling and pushing.

[Zambo]

In case asked, and this is an honest assessment, despite my loathing of Mourinho, although some won't believe it, and many won't agree.

Talking point 1. Bravo's tackle on Rooney

Bravo launched himself towards Rooney, but if you look at the challenge from start to finish, he hits the deck well before making contact. Moreover, if you look at the photo below, you will see that he plays the ball with the top of his foot, It's one-footed, and in the end a bloody good tackle that any defender would have been proud of. You have to cut out serious and dangerous play, but at the same time you don't want to penalise aggression channelled correctly. Imo, Clattenburg made the correct call.

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Talking Point 2 - Penalty Claim for handball

Very straightforward. No referee could say 100% that was deliberate, so discussion over really.

[antdad]

The fact that he landed early or Rooney wasn't quick enough was fortuitous. You're ignoring the fact that although contact may have been with one foot, studs were up and he launched himself with both feet off the ground meaning he didn't have full control. Very dangerous play.

[Jonathan]

I remember seeing Obi-Mikel sent off at OT for the exact same tackle a few years back.

[subsub]

The fact that he landed early or Rooney wasn't quick enough was fortuitous. You're ignoring the fact that although contact may have been with one foot, studs were up and he launched himself with both feet off the ground meaning he didn't have full control. Very dangerous play.

I agree - whether you get the ball is neither here nor there - if you throw yourself into a challenge with both sets of studs showing, you're asking for trouble. Could easily have been a straight red.

[sjbarca]

I like Bravo.......but that's a straight red card and penalty......mind you Rooney was lucky to still be on the pitch so it's okay.

[The Ghost of Alex Higgins]

Citeh were prepared to pay more to the refs. Simple.

[Petingo]

In case asked, and this is an honest assessment, despite my loathing of Mourinho, although some won't believe it, and many won't agree.

Talking point 1. Bravo's tackle on Rooney

Bravo launched himself towards Rooney, but if you look at the challenge from start to finish, he hits the deck well before making contact. Moreover, if you look at the photo below, you will see that he plays the ball with the top of his foot, It's one-footed, and in the end a bloody good tackle that any defender would have been proud of. You have to cut out serious and dangerous play, but at the same time you don't want to penalise aggression channelled correctly. Imo, Clattenburg made the correct call.

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Talking Point 2 - Penalty Claim for handball

Very straightforward. No referee could say 100% that was deliberate, so discussion over really.

I thought the fact a player lunged in with both feet off the ground was in itself punishable by the concession of a free kick, irrespective of the player concerned actually connecting with the intended target, Zam.

Is that no so?

And I also think you are right about the second penalty incident....no one could say with certainty if it was deliberate.

But that logic must also apply to the first one where him playing the ball with the top of his foot would have been invisible to the naked eye and as no one could, with certainty, say that was the case in real time, should the benefit of the doubt not go to the attacker and a pen awarded?