Labour Leadership Race

[kancutlawns]

And have improved the lighting. Two green chairs have been added too.

[Royal24s]

Sir Keir said ...

Ms Phillips accused ..

Ms Nandy said ...

Mrs Long-Bailey, a Jeremy Corbyn ally, said ...

Ms Thornberry said ..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51159376

Does the BBC have an agenda when reporting about 'Mrs Long-Bailey, a Jeremy Corbyn ally'.

They don't even attempt a subtle approach these days.

She doesn't help herself, though......





Rebecca Long Bailey gives an interview insisting she is not a puppet of the Corbyn regime.

SITTING IN CORBYN'S OFFICE

Somebody has nicked all the electronic stuff off the table at the back between photographs

Actually, they're called "books" , Tormado - I've recommended them to you in the past if you remember.
I think they might be bound copies of Hansard because I've seen very similar ones in the library at Westminster.

[AlcoholBrazil]

Even from that angle RLB's face looks too small for her head .

[Shedboy]

So, RLB has been backed by the Unite union with them also backing Richard Burgon for deputy leader.

In the campaign for the last election, I thought Long-Bailey was one of the poorest representatives for Labour throughout.
However, Burgon was even worse; he was utterly pathetic.

Is Uncle Len really a closet Tory?

[AlcoholBrazil]

What are the point of unions now? Do they still have any relevance these days ?
Another tax on your wage-packet and when you need them they prove to be totally impotent .

[subsub]

What are the point of unions now? Do they still have any relevance these days ?
Another tax on your wage-packet and when you need them they prove to be totally impotent .

They don't seem the most efficient of organisations, that's true, AB.
Only time they helped me out was when our local paper started fucking around with employees, transferring them to different offices at a moment's notice, generally acting like cunts etc, so we all joined the NUJ overnight and they immediately stopped their antics, which was quite funny.
But NUJ has fuck-all clout in the world of magazines, glossy consumer titles etc - seems very archaic these days.

[paolo]

please let them appoint the bailey bird

they just dont get it...

[Royal24s]

Two previous posts are quite right.
In fact, they WON'T get it - they refuse to. The whole socialist / unions v management /workers v ruling class gentry thing is a remnant of politics about 100 years ago.

There aren't any Colliers working 14 hour shifts for low wages and supporting twelve kids in a back to back dwelling. There aren't any country squires or mill owners living in "the big house" with servants.

There are plenty of problems but they're different ones and very few people think socialism can help ,or be any more successful today than it was in solving the problems it was originally aimed at.
Therefore, they've got to have a huge change in direction if they want to survive as a major party, and as Paulo points out, this particular female is counter intuitive to this.
Beyond that though, I honestly don't think they've got one single prospect as a successful leader so they need a complete change of personnel if they ever want to appeal to the electorate again.

[AlcoholBrazil]

As long as it isn't another snake-oil salesman. And Starmer has that vibe about him. Labour do not need Blair 2.0 either.

[Royal24s]

Nothing but snake oil to sell though - that's my point.
What have they got to offer 21st century people except early 20th century class warfare?

[Hillman avenger]

The funny thing is that nothing HAS changed.
The appearance is different but there is still exactly the same ( indeed worse) unfairness, exploitation and concentration of wealth in an elite.
Unfortunately the people who suffer this have been deceived into supporting the very people who maintain and further develop this and it is to Corbyn and co's eternal shame they watched that happen.
Much as the same group of people in the US fell for a giant pack of lies.
I understand peoples' bitterness. It's what to do about it that's the issue and in both cases they have made it worse.

[Royal24s]

Don't see what Corby could have done - not as long as we decide these things democratically anyway. Socialism is increasingly unpopular so they don't get votes , and they're weak people on the average so they can't force compliance as Stalin did, much as they might like to.

As a socialist you want or need to keep class warfare and depravation alive because it's a philosophy which draws its strength from the suffering of the "discontented masses" with promises of jam tomorrow.
I take the opposite view, as do the majority of people today. I object to the sufferings of people and I want to reduce or stop them rather than weaponising them against someone else . I don't envy people who have wealth or success because as the majority of people have now realised, you can't make poor men rich by making rich men poor. The object is to make things better for everyone, not just smash those things down which are already good.

You say that the American people have been deceived, but the republic has yielded far better results for them than the socialist systems of the Soviet Union, Romania or Venezuela which are the outcome of your line of thought.

Maybe you just got used to the cameraderie of protesting Mill owners or something and that's why you can't let it go, but I'm afraid that the majority of people have moved on and the reality is that Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are the popular figures of the people today, not Kier Hardy or Che Guevarra.

[Hillman avenger]

Don't see what Corby could have done - not as long as we decide these things democratically anyway.
Yet something else we can disagree about.

Socialism is increasingly unpopular so they don't get votes , and they're weak people on the average so they can't force compliance as Stalin did, much as they might like to.
There is no need to force compliance, as many democratic socialists have shown around the world

As a socialist you want or need to keep class warfare and depravation
I take it you mean "deprivation" and if you think it's a myth that's encouraging, I hope others like you have the same misconception.

alive because it's a philosophy which draws its strength from the suffering of the "discontented masses" with promises of jam tomorrow.
I take the opposite view, as do the majority of people today. I object to the sufferings of people and I want to reduce or stop them rather than weaponising them against someone else .

I don't envy people
It's not about envy. No matter how often you say it.
who have wealth or success because as the majority of people have now realised, you can't make poor men rich by making rich men poor. The object is to make things better for everyone, not just smash those things down which are already good.
You have spent years celebrating something which will make all, and especially the deprived, poorer.

You say that the American people have been deceived, but the republic has yielded far better results for them than the socialist systems of the Soviet Union, Romania or Venezuela which are the outcome of your line of thought.
No. Not the "outcome of my line of thought" at all.

Maybe you just got used to the cameraderie of protesting Mill owners or something and that's why you can't let it go, but I'm afraid that the majority of people have moved on and the reality is that Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are the popular figures of the people today, not Kier Hardy or Che Guevarra.

Precisely my point. Charlatans, cheats and liars.

How many times has Farage tried to get into Parliament?

[Royal24s]

Firstly I must apologise about the typo. I'm devastated and ashamed about it, and I hope it didn't effect anyone's ability to understand what I was saying. I know that you'd never ever make a serious error like that, and I shall be more careful in future.
I also apologise to any depraved individuals who may have misunderstood and been shocked or offended by the mis spelling of "deprived" as "depraved". Obviously we now accept that it's a perfectly normal lifestyle choice to be depraved, and I accept that such an insensitive typo error puts me right up there with Hitler as an oppressor.

Leaving that bollocks aside though, you're quite right that we hold opposite opinions on these matters of politics, but my original point was and remains that yours seems unsustainable at this point in history because it's support base is dwindling to levels where winning elections seems impossible, and there's absolutely no sign of that improving. This being so, it's bound to be a frustrating business to be trying to sell it in a marketplace where there aren't enough customers to keep the shop open.

[Royal24s]

Just saw your last point. How many times has Giles Brandreth tried to change the history of a continent ?