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This is the err business end of proceedings. Come on Engerland, let's give it the big 'un.

If England lose would you still consider Southgate to be the utter failure you've always considered him to be?

I didn’t when he played for the Villa.

...even when he wanted to leave?

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:21 pm If England lose would you still consider Southgate to be the utter failure you've always considered him to be?

I don't like the fact that he lies: We'll pick players on form. I don't like liars, I never have.

Handbrake is so vanilla soy

This is as far as the "experts" said was reasonable, before a ball was kicked.
Did anyone think that only three teams were better than England? Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, Germany (before it started). There's five just off the top of my head. Normally you can add Italy to that list.
England aren't that good.

carcinogen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:52 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:21 pm If England lose would you still consider Southgate to be the utter failure you've always considered him to be?

I don't like the fact that he lies: We'll pick players on form. I don't like liars, I never have.

Maybe he means or meant for his country rather than club form.

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:12 pm

carcinogen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:52 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:21 pm If England lose would you still consider Southgate to be the utter failure you've always considered him to be?

I don't like the fact that he lies: We'll pick players on form. I don't like liars, I never have.

Maybe he means or meant for his country rather than club form.

We all know what he meant, don't be coy.

Gareth Blandgate is a cunt.

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:36 pm ...even when he wanted to leave?

What are you talking about?

carcinogen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:40 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:12 pm

carcinogen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:52 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:21 pm If England lose would you still consider Southgate to be the utter failure you've always considered him to be?

I don't like the fact that he lies: We'll pick players on form. I don't like liars, I never have.

Maybe he means or meant for his country rather than club form.

We all know what he meant, don't be coy.

I don't think I do, who do you mean in particular? I don't care for slab head but he's done alright and who else do we have?

kancutlawns wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:49 pm

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:36 pm ...even when he wanted to leave?

What are you talking about?

I thought he put in a transfer request to leave Villa or he forced his exit?

I don’t remember it that far back, only vaguely. It’s going back about 25 years. But you could be right.

antdad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:21 pm If England lose would you still consider Southgate to be the utter failure you've always considered him to be?

England have reached the quarter-finals, which is what they should do given their ranking.
Any further in the competition would be a bonus.