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I'm torn by these cases. On the one hand, it's clear that young girls were groomed by ISIS to travel aboard and be instantly wed to their fighters. The UK government have also contrived to make these girls stateless which is illegal under international law. Begum was born here, if Syria chooses to deport her here there is little we could do.

On the other, if you join a barbaric cult that killed and raped its way across a country cheerleading them as they went there should be some act of karma at some point.

Maybe she could be Jeffrey epsteined. There was that british isis chap the other week who was killed while trying to flee his kurdish captors.

Once she get back, she's here to stay.

How many other 'child' brides will follow?

How many of their terrorist husbands will come also?

A very dangerous precedent to set

Those supporting her like Liberty won't be able to understand that, or think that it's worth the risk in the name of Human Rights

Will cost millions in protection money, and for the statue

Wrong move

Zambo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:27 pm Once she get back, she's here to stay.

How many other 'child' brides will follow?

How many of their terrorist husbands will come also?

A very dangerous precedent to set

Those supporting her like Liberty won't be able to understand that, or think that it's worth the risk in the name of Human Rights

Will cost millions in protection money, and for the statue

Wrong move

The judgement was on her case, not all the cases. The main plank seems to be making her stateless.

The only possible upside of this would be the gammon meltdown.

Vespa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Zambo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:27 pm Once she get back, she's here to stay.

How many other 'child' brides will follow?

How many of their terrorist husbands will come also?

A very dangerous precedent to set

Those supporting her like Liberty won't be able to understand that, or think that it's worth the risk in the name of Human Rights

Will cost millions in protection money, and for the statue

Wrong move

The judgement was on her case, not all the cases. The main plank seems to be making her stateless.

Floodgates opening springs to mind. There are around 150 in a similar position to Begum. And they all have terrorist husbands who may just be allowed to follow them.

Should she not be put in prison upon her arrival?

She's been quite open about being a terrorist.

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Zambo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:39 pm

Vespa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Zambo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:27 pm Once she get back, she's here to stay.

How many other 'child' brides will follow?

How many of their terrorist husbands will come also?

A very dangerous precedent to set

Those supporting her like Liberty won't be able to understand that, or think that it's worth the risk in the name of Human Rights

Will cost millions in protection money, and for the statue

Wrong move

The judgement was on her case, not all the cases. The main plank seems to be making her stateless.

Floodgates opening springs to mind. There are around 150 in a similar position to Begum. And they all have terrorist husbands who may just be allowed to follow them.

I know that's what the Daily Mail are saying. Firstly their husbands have no right of residence, being married isn't a pass for a free passport. Secoundly the judgement relate to Begum's case specifically, it hasn't changed the status of anyone else.

The government has the tools to build an effective system for people like this, be nice if they got on and did it.

Nice of her

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Vespa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:46 pm

Zambo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:39 pm

Vespa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Zambo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:27 pm Once she get back, she's here to stay.

How many other 'child' brides will follow?

How many of their terrorist husbands will come also?

A very dangerous precedent to set

Those supporting her like Liberty won't be able to understand that, or think that it's worth the risk in the name of Human Rights

Will cost millions in protection money, and for the statue

Wrong move

The judgement was on her case, not all the cases. The main plank seems to be making her stateless.

Floodgates opening springs to mind. There are around 150 in a similar position to Begum. And they all have terrorist husbands who may just be allowed to follow them.

I know that's what the Daily Mail are saying. Firstly their husbands have no right of residence, being married isn't a pass for a free passport. Secoundly the judgement relate to Begum's case specifically, it hasn't changed the status of anyone else.

The government has the tools to build an effective system for people like this, be nice if they got on and did it.

This would be the start of one in all in. They would all build their case round Begum getting in,s o should they. And they will.

Isn't a good deal of UK law based around precedent.
Won't her case serve as such for future returnees.

VeritasVincit wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:29 pm Isn't a good deal of UK law based around precedent.
Won't her case serve as such for future returnees.

It's a case by case basis.

Zambo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:24 pm
This would be the start of one in all in. They would all build their case round Begum getting in,s o should they. And they will.

Hence my point around the government developing a way to manage this and not pretend that some of these people who are British won't return.

Owen Jones should be warned not to stand on the roof of a high building while being in her company.

She was clearly groomed so I do have an element of sympathy for her.

However, I find it a bit strange allowing her back to prepare her case as once she’s back she’s back. If she loses where on earth are we going to send her ? She’s stateless.