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JudgeTedd wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:14 am The only thing this Lineker episode has shown is how broken Britain has become.

This guy has it sussed.

beingsoblase wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:51 am The guy called it right, but do labour offer anything different?

lambrini wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:21 am The country has been broken for years.

Salem wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:56 am He was spot on when he said the Tories couldn't fight the next election on their record of this last Parliament . It's been a fucking shambles

Maybe if they had carried out the promises they made at the last election , which i believe promised to stop the invasion and control the borders , they may have stood a chance .

Alas , it's too late and as the OP suggests , Britain is broken and there's no going back

Vespa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am

Salem wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:56 am He was spot on when he said the Tories couldn't fight the next election on their record of this last Parliament . It's been a fucking shambles

Maybe if they had carried out the promises they made at the last election , which i believe promised to stop the invasion and control the borders , they may have stood a chance .

Alas , it's too late and as the OP suggests , Britain is broken and there's no going back

I think it can bounce back. The fundamental problem is the British political system views its people as a cost, not an asset. Higher taxes and well-run public systems, so people can be well-educated, have good jobs, be safe and healthy, is the cornerstone of societies that invest in their people. We've just never had an honest conversation about tax and spend.

Vespa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am

Salem wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:56 am He was spot on when he said the Tories couldn't fight the next election on their record of this last Parliament . It's been a fucking shambles

Maybe if they had carried out the promises they made at the last election , which i believe promised to stop the invasion and control the borders , they may have stood a chance .

Alas , it's too late and as the OP suggests , Britain is broken and there's no going back

I think it can bounce back. The fundamental problem is the British political system views its people as a cost, not an asset. Higher taxes and well-run public systems, so people can be well-educated, have good jobs, be safe and healthy, is the cornerstone of societies that invest in their people. We've just never had an honest conversation about tax and spend.

Sunbeam Alpine wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:35 pm

Vespa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:22 am

Salem wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:56 am He was spot on when he said the Tories couldn't fight the next election on their record of this last Parliament . It's been a fucking shambles

Maybe if they had carried out the promises they made at the last election , which i believe promised to stop the invasion and control the borders , they may have stood a chance .

Alas , it's too late and as the OP suggests , Britain is broken and there's no going back

I think it can bounce back. The fundamental problem is the British political system views its people as a cost, not an asset. Higher taxes and well-run public systems, so people can be well-educated, have good jobs, be safe and healthy, is the cornerstone of societies that invest in their people. We've just never had an honest conversation about tax and spend.

A couple of days ago I was listening to a discussion about childcare.
A woman called in. British, but married to a German. Both professionals.
They had lived in Berlin when their children were born, but moved here recently ( I think to Leicester).
They have both resumed their careers here.
She was shocked. In Berlin childcare was free. Here is is (a) hard to find and (b) expensive ( she mentioned £13000 per child). There is a childcare payment, but not enough and not for high earners.
For two children they have to earn £32k before tax just to have their children cared for.
They have been talking about her giving up her career.
In Berlin public transport was easy , cheap and reliable.. Here they have had to buy a car.
Did they pay more tax in Germany? Yes, by about 10%
What did they get for that? See above. Lose your job, get 70% of what you earned for a year, then £600 pa after that.
What will the Tories offer at the next election? Lower taxes.
What will Labour offer? No higher taxes
No-one is prepared to grasp the nettle that we need higher taxes and greater infrastructure, both hard and soft.