Britain is broken

[antdad]

EU funding, cough...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ples-lives

Yep 'cus the EU would bring abundance of investment into the nation's railways. The magic money tree, yay!

Don’t be so ridiculous.

After all this time and disappointment you're still swallowing the Tory competent finance handbook, hook, line and sinker. I won't waste my time, just do your usual and blame Mayor Khan, immigrants and "socialism"...yeeesssss.

[subsub]

EU funding, cough...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ples-lives

Yep 'cus the EU would bring abundance of investment into the nation's railways. The magic money tree, yay!

Don’t be so ridiculous.

After all this time and disappointment you're still swallowing the Tory competent finance handbook, hook, line and sinker. I won't waste my time, just do your usual and blame Mayor Khan, immigrants and "socialism"...yeeesssss.

Yep, absolutely staggering. People bleating about the state of the country and they'll still go out and vote Tory

[lambrini]

EU funding, cough...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ples-lives

Yep 'cus the EU would bring abundance of investment into the nation's railways. The magic money tree, yay!

Don’t be so ridiculous.

After all this time and disappointment you're still swallowing the Tory competent finance handbook, hook, line and sinker. I won't waste my time, just do your usual and blame Mayor Khan, immigrants and "socialism"...yeeesssss.

I haven’t swallowed any "Tory" handbook. I'm not a Tory. Give your head a wobble.

[lambrini]

EU funding, cough...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ples-lives

Yep 'cus the EU would bring abundance of investment into the nation's railways. The magic money tree, yay!

Don’t be so ridiculous.

After all this time and disappointment you're still swallowing the Tory competent finance handbook, hook, line and sinker. I won't waste my time, just do your usual and blame Mayor Khan, immigrants and "socialism"...yeeesssss.

Yep, absolutely staggering. People bleating about the state of the country and they'll still go out and vote Tory

"Absolutely staggering blah blah blah"



Where did I say I'd still vote Tory in the next election?

Bore off.

[The Tick]

Lambrini getting a little heated.

[Zambo]

Where did I say I'd still vote Tory in the next election?

You didn't, but there is nothing like misinterpreting posts to fuel a woke gang up.

Just the gammon meltdown to come. We are hovering on 'getting a little heated' at the minute.

[lambrini]

Where did I say I'd still vote Tory in the next election?

You didn't, but there is nothing like misinterpreting posts to fuel a woke gang up.

Just the gammon meltdown to come. We are hovering on 'getting a little heated' at the minute.

Yep, it's hilarious how they automatically assume I'm a 'Tory' when, in reality, the Tory party and being a small-c conservative, which I am, are two different things. Besides, money doesn’t necessarily equate to efficiency. Why would anyone believe that pouring more cash, especially funds from the EU, into Britain's railways would make everything better?

None of them commented on my previous post about the absolute shit-show state of the country. Everyone, including them, knows Britain is beyond repair. I have mixed feelings about Labour. Keir Starmer will literally need a magic wand and decades to fix it all. And how will he he do it? Answer: he doesn’t know. In the past, Labour's answer to everything was money, borrowing, and encouraging people to be dependent on the state. That won't work this time.

[The Tick]

The UK is a shitshow because it's been run by a corrupt cabal for the last 14 years who religiously believe in economic anarchy and filling the coffers of their friends. No willingness to invest in the nation, and keeping the electorate blindsided by creating foreign bogeyman for them to rail against.

Infrastructure in the UK is largely maintained/managed to maximise profits for company investors rather than serve the interests of customers.

The delusional fantasy that extreme laissez faire economics and brexit would somehow catapult the United Kingdom back into the glory days of old, holds a lot of responsibility for the descent into failure.

[Vespa]

Problem with the UK is politicians aren't honest that good public services cost money and that money comes from higher taxation and private sector revenues. They peddle the myth that you can have decreasing tax and better public services. I've never heard a politician from any of the big two talk about investment and then not shit their pants when people talk about cost.

The problem is in the UK is that investing in people is seen as a waste of money, which is wrong.

[antdad]

Quite right Vespa but it's just not efficient as Tory girl with a "small c" says.

[Sunbeam Alpine]

Problem with the UK is politicians aren't honest that good public services cost money and that money comes from higher taxation and private sector revenues. They peddle the myth that you can have decreasing tax and better public services. I've never heard a politician from any of the big two talk about investment and then not shit their pants when people talk about cost.

The problem is in the UK is that investing in people is seen as a waste of money, which is wrong.

They tell us that lowering taxes increases economic activity, which of itself drives up tax revenues; the Laffer curve. When we get to those earning the top rates of pay, it is assumed this has the effect of driving entrepreneurial behaviour. The problem with this , is that it doesn't correspond to my real world experience.

I have never met anyone who thinks " No I will take it easy now, because if I do any more it will mostly go in tax". Yes, people get annoyed after the fact when they see how much tax they have paid, but I don't think it drives behaviour. It might if it reached say 85-90%.Similarly, the companies I have worked with consider all kinds of variables when thinking about investment, but rarely is the rate of corporation tax one of them.

This is at the heart of Liz Truss' thinking. When I say "thinking" I use the word in its broadest sense.

[Vespa]

Quite right Vespa but it's just not efficient as Tory girl with a "small c" says.

Efficient how?

[The Tick]

Quite right Vespa but it's just not efficient as Tory girl with a "small c" says.

Small c.

A rather interesting turn of phrase.

[lambrini]

The UK is a shitshow because it's been run by a corrupt cabal for the last 14 years who religiously believe in economic anarchy and filling the coffers of their friends. No willingness to invest in the nation, and keeping the electorate blindsided by creating foreign bogeyman for them to rail against.

Infrastructure in the UK is largely maintained/managed to maximise profits for company investors rather than serve the interests of customers.

The delusional fantasy that extreme laissez faire economics and brexit would somehow catapult the United Kingdom back into the glory days of old, holds a lot of responsibility for the descent into failure.

I'm struggling to understand your logic, Tick. How does wanting an efficient and prosperous society equate to 'harking back to the glory days of old'? Efficiency and prosperity are ideals for any healthy country.

As I mentioned yesterday, the UK's growing indifference only compounds the problem. An 'it is what it is' attitude has replaced the old sentiment of 'mustn't grumble.' I don’t understand why Brits have accepted mediocrity. Migration reaching a record high? No problem. The looming literacy crisis? No worries. Waiting several hours for an ambulance? Normal. Being advised by an operator with no medical experience to visit A&E because the doctors are "extremely busy"? Okay then. Unable to find a dentist despite your teeth falling out? Just the way it is. Paying two and a half grand each year (and rising) for abysmal train services? Nevermind. Police refusing to deal with genuine crimes such as assaults and robberies while arresting those for hurty words? Oh well, what can you do? Knife crime in the capital soars by over 20% in one year? It is what it is! And so it goes on.

Sub, Ant, Tick, Ted: Tell me, without resorting to cheap shots, why the societal problems I've mentioned above are acceptable – they barely scratch the surface, by the way – and then explain how a Labour government would address them. I'm not saying the party won’t, I simply want answers.

[The Tick]

I'm struggling to understand your logic, Tick. How does wanting an efficient and prosperous society equate to 'harking back to the glory days of old'? Efficiency and prosperity are ideals for any healthy country.

You're advocating a " have your cake and eat it" approach to economics and society. Public services need public funding. Simply trusting everything to a cartel of companies to run things "efficiently" hasn't done the trick.