Roy Twing wrote:Vespa wrote:Hillman avenger wrote:That is unsustainable.
As far as this incident is concerned, try listening before judging.
In particular the history of this government being told, in 2016, that its cuts in prison service spending, rehab services and the depletion and dumbing-down of probation would lead to something like this. You turn prison into an intense school for terrorism.
But of course that twat Gove was Justice Secretary and ignored most of it.
The first lie of the situation is you can't keep people in jail forever for most of the crimes they've been convicted of. The second lie is that you can track them like white rhino when they get out.
No government wants to fund prisons and no government wants to fund a probation service to deal with them once they've been let out. 60% of prisons are currently overcrowded and the reoffending rate is 30%.
There is no guarantee that if Usman Khan had completed his entire sentence that he still wouldn't have gone on to kill people.
I don't have any answers, no one does.
I do think it would be a good start to strip all religious groups of the bizarre special status they have that appears to put them outside the boundaries of normal civil society in the UK. Strip them any political franchise (i.e. House of Lords), strip them off the self-censoring blanket that prevents any real criticism, strip them over the right to start schools and strip of the ability to import people on 'missionary work'.
Religious groups should have the same rights as the local environmental charity no less no more. Could you imagine your local homeless charity getting away with systemic child abuse or the local Alcoholics Anonymous meeting being allowed to advocate for attacks on the local off-license?
Maybe once we're able to ridicule religion in the same way we ridicule the likes of the BNP these people we become fewer.
If someone is proven to be a danger to society (ie, a psychopath, terrorist, paedophile etc.) they should not be at liberty if there is a probability that they will offend.
The only reason there is no solution is because of the liberal attitudes that we are brainwashed into believing are the only attitudes acceptable in a civilised society. I would dispute that.
As to 'ridiculing religion' - you do realise that we've always been able to, and have done, ......that is until one particular 'religion' became more prominent in the western world, - we are now unable to ridicule them because of fear of retribution.
Can you guess which 'religion' that is?
I really couldn't give a shit whether this is a EU law or not, nor what religion he was, but I just find it staggering, that there are people defending the system which allowed these murders to take place. For some, the protection of society seems further down the list than the human rights (whatever they are) of the criminal. You have to wonder if a member of their family had been stabbed on London Bridge whether they would still be bleating on about it. When someone kills another person, as far as I'm concerned whatever human rights they had before committing, are removed immediately.
Again the victims, the family of the victims, justice, punishment and deterrent don't seem to matter much.