I didn't say or remotely imply, that the worse the crime they're accused of the more they must, by definition, be guilty. The discussion had absolutely nothing to do with that aspect. and I gave Nilson as an example, where I find it difficult to put myself in the shoes of anyone who would try and get scum off like that.
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But you're calling him scum on the basis of a trial that found him guilty. Before the trial defence lawyers, and juries, must keep an open mind.Zambo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:07 pm I didn't say or remotely imply, that the worse the crime they're accused of the more they must, by definition, be guilty. The discussion had absolutely nothing to do with that aspect. and I gave Nilson as an example, where I find it difficult to put myself in the shoes of anyone who would try and get scum off like that.
Yeah, sure Nilsom had a defence lawyer ... that was his right. Stefan Kiszko was entitled to one as well.
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It's not necessarily about trying to get anyone "off" is about representing a client fairly and competently. Everyone is innocent until proved guilty, you give the impression Zambo that an accusation = guilt.Zambo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:07 pmI didn't say or remotely imply, that the worse the crime they're accused of the more they must, by definition, be guilty. The discussion had absolutely nothing to do with that aspect. and I gave Nilson as an example, where I find it difficult to put myself in the shoes of anyone who would try and get scum off like that.
That's how I have interpreted your post as I think JimmyDee has as well
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I think Zambo could benefit from reading this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cab-rank_rule
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I refer you to the posts which triggered the initial discussion. The appropriate section is now in bold. Hopefully this will resolve any misinterpretations of what I originally said. My opinion has nothing to do with 'accusation=guilt', and neither does it say anything about the levels of the crime making any difference. My issue is with the morality of defence barristers representing criminals who they know full well are guilty. However, as previously said also, with the incompetence within the criminal justice system which also works against innocent people accused of crimes, there is no way out.Saints11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:11 pmIt's not necessarily about trying to get anyone "off" is about representing a client fairly and competently. Everyone is innocent until proved guilty, you give the impression Zambo that an accusation = guilt.Zambo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:07 pmI didn't say or remotely imply, that the worse the crime they're accused of the more they must, by definition, be guilty. The discussion had absolutely nothing to do with that aspect. and I gave Nilson as an example, where I find it difficult to put myself in the shoes of anyone who would try and get scum off like that.
That's how I have interpreted your post as I think JimmyDee has as well
Zambo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:50 amDefence barristers are in it for the money and the fame. On a general note, there is something very morally corrupt about someone who knows that their client is guilty, yet they still try and get them off.Saints11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:26 amThis is not a bad thing.Zambo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:43 pmHer lawyers have been paid by the British taxpayer.delboy1983 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:12 pm There is no upside to allow her back.
Would be a trial and considerable jail sentence
She would get legal aid
This would cost a lot of money.
This way -no cost
Everybody needs someone competent fighting their corner (no matter how serious the crime) as a competent defensive / prosecution gives credibility to the verdict.
I assume she has no money, so would be unable to hire someone capable, so being funded by the Tax payer is better in the long run. As no one can argue her solicitor was shit and her case reviewed on those grounds.
That's my understanding anyway.
Having said that, and it's underpinned by the number of miscarriages of justice where innocent people have been found guilty, you have to have a tight and vigorous defence system, and I understand it's difficult to separate the two aspects. The police and the CPS have a major role to play here but at times they are fucking useless. I've been watching a docu (only seen first part so far) on the murder of Jodi Jones, and the case against Luke Mitchell. That looked very dodgy indeed, with no forensics against him whatsoever.
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The pakzhi’s will be loving thisThe Tick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:01 am Let the gammon meltdown begin
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Enabling terrorists and Uk haters to stay in the Uk
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Begum has a state
She even chose it
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From what I can see the people who say she should be allowed back only want her put on trial for any crimes she has committed.
Which surely is what should happen?
She doesn’t look terribly uncomfy where she is, shouldn’t she be here being punished?
Which surely is what should happen?
She doesn’t look terribly uncomfy where she is, shouldn’t she be here being punished?
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Still dangerously newsworthy unfortunately, Theirs still mileage left yet, some fucker will spring her from Syria.
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She lives in a tent in a prison camp, doesn't sound fun. At some point, Syria is either going to deport her or make the UK government pay them to keep her.
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One bill the British taxpayer might be happy to pay
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She looked quite well kept the other day, I’d say her life right now was more boring than punishment.
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