Vespa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:07 pm
Sunbeam Alpine wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:57 am
Johnson swept aside democracy and forced a deal through without scrutiny. Even his own scrutiny! That''s why we have the shambles we have now and NI regressing 30 years.
What are you on about, Parliament passed a bill via a vote that included the withdrawal agreement. Are you suggesting Parliament voting on a bill is 'sweeping aside democracy''?
There is nothing undemocratic about Brexit.
1. The country had a referendum that expressed the desire to leave the EU.
2. The country then elected a goverment that agreed to act on that expression.
I'll happily argue the people implementing Brexit have done a fucking awful job of it and in the process are wrecking parts of the UK economy, but I'll never argue that
Parliament passing a bill by a vote to achieve the expression a referendum is undemocratic - because that would be dumb.
No I didn't say that.
What the people did not state, which was the great flaw, was what kind of future they wanted.
Parliament DID pass a vote to withdraw, in 2017. Even though the majority of MPs did not want it ( and had been elected by their constituents knowing that).
The 2 years following were consumed in the Tory party arguing about HOW it was to be achieved, and as had been apparent during the 2016 campaign, there were serious differences about that. It cost May her job, got us a cretin as PM, and landed us with a dogs breakfast of an arrangement which is crippling our economy and sending NI back 30 years. Along the way Johnson tried to sweep aside democracy to bludgeon it through; the most important issue before Parliament for fifty years and he scrapped the scrutiny of it.
And since then has been whittling away at the pillars of our democracy.
And if you hadn't noticed we have a PM and Home Secretary who on multiple occasions have lied to the House, and a Speaker who has done nothing about it.