The Labour Government Thread - Part 2

[Zippy]

I don't understand any reason not to be for it, it's not like it's compulsory.

Within 5 years anyone who chooses to see out their days in hospital will be portrayed as selfish, wasting the taxpayers' money.
You mark my words.

Correct.

[The Tick]

I don't understand any reason not to be for it, it's not like it's compulsory.

Within 5 years anyone who chooses to see out their days in hospital will be portrayed as selfish, wasting the taxpayers' money.
You mark my words.

This country is obsessed with moaning about taxpayer money going towards anything resembling a good deed. Why should pensioners become some sanctified exception to that rule?

[birdie]

I don't understand any reason not to be for it, it's not like it's compulsory.

Within 5 years anyone who chooses to see out their days in hospital will be portrayed as selfish, wasting the taxpayers' money.
You mark my words.

No one 'chooses' to see their last days in hospital, for many it's a necessity.
FFS, not everyone who dies in hospital is an oldie, there are those under retirement age who die in hospital, even those not old enough to vote or even go to school.
Should they be labelled as selfish too?

[birdie]

Two faced tw*t comes to mind.

He does seem to have a rather bad memory, as well as bad judgement, at times, well, most of the time.


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[birdie]

If this was Mastermind Starmer would 'pass' on every one

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[Ken Boon]

Fucking state of her.

[Zambo]

I know certain people will be upset, but the rumours are, is that the £10 XB is filtering into pensioners bank accounts.

On the positive side, at least they will be able to have the heating for an extra half an hour for a couple if days.

[birdie]

I know certain people will be upset, but the rumours are, is that the £10 XB is filtering into pensioners bank accounts.

On the positive side, at least they will be able to have the heating for an extra half an hour for a couple if days.

Forgive me Zambo, but I'm struggling to understand what that means,
Any chance you could clarify for me?
Ta muchly, in advance

[Zambo]

£10 Xmas Bonus.

Argos do a nice 3ft artificial tree for a tenner.

[birdie]

£10 Xmas Bonus.

Argos do a nice 3ft artificial tree for a tenner.

Ah, got it, brought in by a Conservative government and hasn't increased since.
I don't know how much the basic pension was at the time but I hazard a guess 10 quid was a fair percentage.
It is also universal, the millionaire pensioner gets it as well as those classed as 'in poverty', but isn't it a surprise that Cunty Reeves didn't target that too, after all, if the 10m pensioners don't need £300 they don't need 10

[colinthewarriormonkey]

On another subject, I'm interested to know why Kim Leadbetter brough in t the assisted dying bill in the first place..
Was it from personal experience or was it something Labour wanted to do but didn't put in their manifesto.

Yes, I know Private Members Bills are a lottery and she got lucky.

Who cares it is a good bill and should pass.

Agreed, I had to watch my mum die of dementia the reality of which is never realy portrayed in the media, it's usually shown as someone getting a bit forgetful but she was living in a state not only of confusion but abject terror. She was horribly abused by her violent father as a girl (as were all the kids) and she thought my Dad was him and would lash out violently against him until her very worst fear was realised and she was put in a care home which happened the day before lockdown started and frankly and this sounds horrible I really wanted her to die quickly. My dad had spent every day of his life with her for 60 years and the next time any of us would see her again was watching her fight for every lung full of air as she had aspiration pneumonia. I had power of attorney over her healthcare (interestingly we found out that my Dad didn't, I guess he knew that one day a difficult decision would have to be made that he knew he couldn't do) so I told them not to intervene. I defy anyone who has to watch a loved one suffer like that especially at the end not to want to end their parent's suffering.

As for my Dad, well it broke him completely, he lost any interest in life and he really didn't want to be here anymore it became so unbearable for him that he lost all grip of reality, I got many calls from the police in the middle of the night telling us that he'd reported her missing again. He would wander the streets looking for her and when we told him that she'd died it was like hearing the news for the first time, he'd break down in tears and ask why no one had told him she was ill. It got to the point where we simply stopped reminding him as it led to nothing but pain. Eventually he was sectioned for his own safety and put in the dementia unit of a care home, which is a tiny section and the patients are locked in there. He went from a slim fit man who used to walk everywhere to ballooning in weight because he could get no exercise. He'd ring us up at all hours of the day and night demanding to know who had locked him up and asking us what he'd done wrong. I remember visiting him one time and he was staring out of the window and asked him what he was looking at, and he said "I like to look at the tops of those trees, sometimes I can see birds in them" that's when it dawned on me (because I hadn't been paying attention) that the glass was frosted most of the way up and that the tops of the trees was the only part of the outside world he could see. Yes he was still alive, but he had no quality of life at all, and frankly if I were offered a way to end it all for him, I would have taken it.

Keeping people alive at all costs to make them suffer for years or even just a few weeks or months, often in horrendous physical pain or fighting for breath is not humane, you wouldn't do that to a dog.

I welcome this going through.

Incidentally, my mum's last words to me were "FUCK OFF!!" which I'm very cool with, she had a wicked sense of humour, she didn't give a fuck whether anything was appropriate for not, if something was funny to her, she'd laugh, and I know that if I'd told her a story about a son who had travelled hundreds of miles to visit his dear old mum and the last words she ever said to him was "fuck off" she'd have pissed herself laughing.

[Vespa]

Sorry to hear that Colin

[JimmyDee]

No one 'chooses' to see their last days in hospital, for many it's a necessity.

Once we have Assisted Suicide then there will be a choice.

I never said they were all pensioners, either. "Tick" may have assumed I meant that, but I didn't.

[birdie]

Starmer getting pelters from every bod on the panel on the Kuensberg programme this morning, not one positive word about him, and Pat McFadden got the same, one even questioned the veracity of some of his statements.
Given that most BBC political programmes have at least one person in support of any party that doesn't seem a rousing endorsement of the present government.

[The Ghost of Alex Higgins]

Liebour should use this new bill to end themselves