Ukraine - Part 2

[The Tick]

I can't get my head round the murder of innocent adults and children as peacekeeping, and it is murder as they are shelling residential areas intentionally, and agreeing a ceasefire and then shelling as soon as people leave.

Ukraine's military has murdered innocent adults and children in Luhansk and Donetsk. I don't recall any global outrage about that. Russia's actions are partly to prevent that activity happening again.

It's just another but deflection. You are still condoning the murder of civilians because Russia think they are being surrounded by an aggressive NATO without foundation. There is no way anyone can say murder is any sort of peacekeeping.

Just as in any war, there are terrible examples of civilians being caught up in crossfire. Russia isn't pursuing a military policy of indiscriminate murder.

[birdie]

Because he wants to herd them in Russian camps.

Here is a great thread by the former Russian Foreign Minister clearly stating that Russia wants to annex Ukraine and Putin doesn't believe it's a real country.

I know David Starkey has been cancelled by and large, but he makes exactly the same point here:

David Starkey still peddles the now debunked notion that Richard III did away with the Princes in the Tower whereas most historians now accept that it was Henry V, Richard had no reason to kill his nephews, Henry had every reason.
Yeah yeah, off topic I know but Starkey is very narrow in his reasoning.

[Steve Hunt]

Yeah yeah, off topic I know but Starkey is very narrow in his reasoning.

I like him.

I enjoy his history podcasts (David Starkey Talks) a lot.

[Zambo]

I can't get my head round the murder of innocent adults and children as peacekeeping, and it is murder as they are shelling residential areas intentionally, and agreeing a ceasefire and then shelling as soon as people leave.

Ukraine's military has murdered innocent adults and children in Luhansk and Donetsk. I don't recall any global outrage about that. Russia's actions are partly to prevent that activity happening again.

It's just another but deflection. You are still condoning the murder of civilians because Russia think they are being surrounded by an aggressive NATO without foundation. There is no way anyone can say murder is any sort of peacekeeping.

Just as in any war, there are terrible examples of civilians being caught up in crossfire. Russia isn't pursuing a military policy of indiscriminate murder.

They are not being caught up in crossfire. They are being targeted. That unless the Russians are that shite at aiming.

[Vespa]

Because he wants to herd them in Russian camps.

Here is a great thread by the former Russian Foreign Minister clearly stating that Russia wants to annex Ukraine and Putin doesn't believe it's a real country.

I know David Starkey has been cancelled by and large, but he makes exactly the same point here:

David Starkey still peddles the now debunked notion that Richard III did away with the Princes in the Tower whereas most historians now accept that it was Henry V, Richard had no reason to kill his nephews, Henry had every reason.
Yeah yeah, off topic I know but Starkey is very narrow in his reasoning.

I like the Starkey based solely on a rant he had women during a debate who said he came from a privileged upbringing. Starkey pointed out he was born into backbreaking poverty, born with a disabled, gay when it was a crime and achieved all his academic successes through solely his own talent. He's not without his flaws but is an impressive human.

[Vespa]

I can't get my head round the murder of innocent adults and children as peacekeeping, and it is murder as they are shelling residential areas intentionally, and agreeing a ceasefire and then shelling as soon as people leave.

Ukraine's military has murdered innocent adults and children in Luhansk and Donetsk. I don't recall any global outrage about that. Russia's actions are partly to prevent that activity happening again.

It's just another but deflection. You are still condoning the murder of civilians because Russia think they are being surrounded by an aggressive NATO without foundation. There is no way anyone can say murder is any sort of peacekeeping.

Just as in any war, there are terrible examples of civilians being caught up in crossfire. Russia isn't pursuing a military policy of indiscriminate murder.

They are not being caught up in crossfire. They are being targeted. That unless the Russians are that shite at aiming.

Russia invaded and started shooting at Ukrianains, the idea they aren't targeting Ukrianains is silly.

[Vespa]

More peacekeeping.

[birdie]

Yeah yeah, off topic I know but Starkey is very narrow in his reasoning.

I like him.

I enjoy his history podcasts (David Starkey Talks) a lot.

I don't dislike him, I just think he can, on occasion, he can be very blinkered in what he says, most historian accept that there are two sides to every story, he doesn't, he's always right and any other perspective is wrong.

Anyway, as it's off topic I wont pursue the argument, wouldn't want some posters getting their tighty whities in a twist at the thought that the skirmish on Bosworth Field was actually a peace keeping mission.

[The Tick]

I can't get my head round the murder of innocent adults and children as peacekeeping, and it is murder as they are shelling residential areas intentionally, and agreeing a ceasefire and then shelling as soon as people leave.

Ukraine's military has murdered innocent adults and children in Luhansk and Donetsk. I don't recall any global outrage about that. Russia's actions are partly to prevent that activity happening again.

It's just another but deflection. You are still condoning the murder of civilians because Russia think they are being surrounded by an aggressive NATO without foundation. There is no way anyone can say murder is any sort of peacekeeping.

Just as in any war, there are terrible examples of civilians being caught up in crossfire. Russia isn't pursuing a military policy of indiscriminate murder.

They are not being caught up in crossfire. They are being targeted. That unless the Russians are that shite at aiming.

Things do go wrong on missions like these sometimes. It's rare to have a war that is free of civilian casualties. Hopefully it's kept to the utmost and most realistic minimum.

[carcinogen]

Christ almighty the amount of sanctimoious cunts from west london who are calling-in to LBC is unreal. "I've given up my spare room, Chole has given up her clarinet lessons so she can spare her room for a Ukrainian refufee". Do me a favour. These are the same people who drive Chelsea Tractors and fund despots.



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[Vespa]

Christ almighty the amount of sanctimoious cunts from west london who are calling-in to LBC is unreal. "I've given up my spare room, Chole has given up her clarinet lessons so she can spare her room for a Ukrainian refufee". Do me a favour. These are the same people who drive Chelsea Tractors and fund despots.



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People with empathy offering their homes to people fleeing genocide - what cunts.

[The Tick]

Christ almighty the amount of sanctimoious cunts from west london who are calling-in to LBC is unreal. "I've given up my spare room, Chole has given up her clarinet lessons so she can spare her room for a Ukrainian refufee". Do me a favour. These are the same people who drive Chelsea Tractors and fund despots.



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In other words they've blagged themselves a Ukrainian nanny at reduced rates.

[Carlos J]

Christ almighty the amount of sanctimoious cunts from west london who are calling-in to LBC is unreal. "I've given up my spare room, Chole has given up her clarinet lessons so she can spare her room for a Ukrainian refufee". Do me a favour. These are the same people who drive Chelsea Tractors and fund despots.

In other words they've blagged themselves a Ukrainian nanny at reduced rates.

Is Chole, Chloe or some new name? And yes at Tick for once IMO, daddy ain't going to be complaining either.

[Vespa]

Be interesting to see if Europe can cut itself off from Russia's hydrocarbons over the next few years.

[The Tick]

No need for a debate on net zero. It's off the menu now.