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Re: Socialists win election in bolivia
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:56 am
by KeithArthur
lambrini wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:59 pm
The Tick wrote:an ideal for a fairer distribution of wealth among a population to improve their quality of life, not diminish it.
If the goal, or ideal, whatever, of socialism is to create fairness, why hasn't Corbyn offered to distribute his
private assets among the population?
Having material gain and giving your loved ones the best opportunities in life isnt anathema to socialism.
I think you'll find it is. Socialism, which creates
forced equality, doesn't give people the
best opportunities in life. Everyone is equal, thus equally poor, albeit a small elite responsible for pulling the strings. Remember what Orwell said, "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
Socialism - the seeds of which were responsible for tens of millions of deaths, from China, to the Soviet Union, to Cambodia - will never work effectively.
I think you'll find that socialism means whatever you want it to mean.
Re: Socialists win election in bolivia
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:07 pm
by Sid Pervcat
lambrini wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:59 pm
The Tick wrote:an ideal for a fairer distribution of wealth among a population to improve their quality of life, not diminish it.
If the goal, or ideal, whatever, of socialism is to create fairness, why hasn't Corbyn offered to distribute his
private assets among the population?
Having material gain and giving your loved ones the best opportunities in life isnt anathema to socialism.
I think you'll find it is. Socialism, which creates
forced equality, doesn't give people the
best opportunities in life. Everyone is equal, thus equally poor, albeit a small elite responsible for pulling the strings. Remember what Orwell said, "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
Socialism - the seeds of which were responsible for tens of millions of deaths, from China, to the Soviet Union, to Cambodia - will never work effectively.
Socialism is compatible with democracy and liberty.It doesn't create forced equality, thats communism,which does so through authoritarian states.
Re: Socialists win election in bolivia
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:49 pm
by lambrini
Sid Pervcat wrote:Socialism is compatible with democracy and liberty.It doesn't create forced equality, thats communism,which does so through authoritarian states.
Alrighty then. Unfortunately, socialism eventually leads to communism. It might take several years or twenty, but a ruthlessly ambitious individual
will take control, either by false promises or coercion, then equality - the comradeship, so to speak - is lost.
Human evolution has made sure that we compete with one another. Do you think this instinct, as well as our penchant for greed, violence and suffering, disappears when a country embraces socialism? Not at all. The Stalins and Hitlers of this world will always be waiting in the wings.